Next year's Intel chips to include Palladium support.

Nothinman

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Ripped directly from Slashdot.org's front page:

"The Boston Globe is reporting that next year's Intel processors will include hardware support for Microsoft's "Palladium" DRM system. There are chilling privacy implications. AMD, here I come."

My current system is a dual Athlon box and it looks like any upgrades will also be of the AMD brand.
 

THUGSROOK

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does everyone here know what palladium is?

its M$ big brother! ~ something you will not ever want on your PC if you value your rights and privacy.
im pretty sure you have to make monthly payments to keep it running too :p

:disgust:
 

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Microsoft "Palladium": A Business Overview
Combining Microsoft Windows Features, Personal Computing Hardware, and Software Applications for Greater Security, Personal Privacy and System Integrity

August 2002

By Amy Carroll, Mario Juarez, Julia Polk and Tony Leininger
Microsoft Content Security Business Unit

Abstract

"Palladium" is the code name for an evolutionary set of features for the Microsoft® Windows® operating system. When combined with a new breed of hardware and applications, these features will give individuals and groups of users greater data security, personal privacy, and system integrity. In addition, "Palladium" will offer enterprise customers significant new benefits for network security and content protection. This white paper does the following:

Examines how "Palladium" satisfies the growing demands of living and working in an interconnected, digital world
Catalogs some of the planned benefits offered by "Palladium"
Summarizes the software components of "Palladium"
Presents a suggested broad business approach to enable "Palladium" to succeed
Contents

The Challenge: Meeting the Emerging Requirements of an Interconnected World
The Solution: "Palladium"
Core Principles of the "Palladium" Initiative
Aspects of "Palladium"
Hardware Components
Software Components
Business Approach
Timing
Conclusion
For More Information

The Challenge: Meeting the Emerging Requirements of an Interconnected World

Today's personal computing environment has advanced in terms of security and privacy, while maintaining a significant amount of backward compatibility. While abandoning compatibility and many features over the years might have made possible smaller, faster and/or more trusted systems, personal computer users required the preservation of investments in software, hardware and user training that came with backward compatibility.

However, the evolution of a shared, open network (the Internet) has created new problems and requirements for trustworthy computing. For example, the proliferation of private information within a digital, networked world is creating a growing challenge. As the personal computer grows more central to our lives at home, work and school, consumers and business customers alike are increasingly aware of privacy and security issues.

Now, the pressure is on for industry leaders to take the following actions:

Build solutions that will meet the pressing need for reliability and integrity
Make improvements to the personal computer such that it can more fully reach its potential and enable a wider range of opportunities
Give customers and content providers a new level of confidence in the computer experience
Continue to support backward compatibility with existing software and user knowledge that exists with Windows systems today
Together, industry leaders must address these critical issues to meet the mounting demand for trusted computing while preserving the open and rich character of current computer functionality.

The Solution: "Palladium"

"Palladium" is the code name for an evolutionary set of features for the Microsoft Windows operating system. When combined with a new breed of hardware and applications, "Palladium" gives individuals and groups of users greater data security, personal privacy and system integrity. Designed to work side-by-side with the existing functionality of Windows, this significant evolution of the personal computer platform will introduce a level of security that meets the rising customer requirements for data protection, integrity and distributed collaboration.

Users implicitly trust their computers with more of their valuable data every day. They also trust their computers to perform more and more important financial, legal and other transactions. "Palladium" provides a solid basis for this trust: a foundation on which privacy- and security-sensitive software can be built.

There are many reasons why "Palladium" will be of advantage to users. Among these are enhanced, practical user control; the emergence of new server/service models; and potentially new peer-to-peer or fully peer-distributed service models. The fundamental benefits of "Palladium" fall into three chief categories: greater system integrity, superior personal privacy and enhanced data security. These categories are illustrated in Figure 1. (Please see definition of "nexus" below.


Figure 1: Windows-based personal computer of the future


Core Principles of the "Palladium" Initiative

Development of "Palladium" is guided by important business and technical imperatives and assumptions. Among these are the following:

A "Palladium"-enhanced computer must continue to run any existing applications and device drivers.

"Palladium" is not a separate operating system. It is based on architectural enhancements to the Windows kernel and to computer hardware, including the CPU, peripherals and chipsets, to create a new trusted execution subsystem (see Figure 1).

"Palladium" will not eliminate any features of Windows that users have come to rely on; everything that runs today will continue to run with "Palladium."

In addition, "Palladium" does not change what can be programmed or run on the computing platform; it simply changes what can be believed about programs, and the durability of those beliefs. Moreover, "Palladium" will operate with any program the user specifies while maintaining security.

It is important to note that while today's applications and devices will continue to work in "Palladium," they will gain little to no benefit from "Palladium" services. To take advantage of "Palladium," existing applications must be adapted to utilize the "Palladium" environment or new applications must be written. This software - whether a component of a Microsoft Win32®-based application or a new application - is called a "Trusted Agent."

"Palladium"-based systems must provide the means to protect user privacy better than any operating system does today.

"Palladium" prevents identity theft and unauthorized access to personal data on the user's device while on the Internet and on other networks. Transactions and processes are verifiable and reliable (through the attestable hardware and software architecture described below), and they cannot be imitated.

With "Palladium," a system's secrets are locked in the computer and are only revealed on terms that the user has specified. In addition, the trusted user interface prevents snooping and impersonation. The user controls what is revealed and can separate categories of data on a single computer into distinct realms. Like a set of vaults, realms provide the assurance of separability. With distinct identifiers, policies and categories of data for each, realms allow a user to have a locked-down work environment and fully open surfing environment at the same time, on the same computer.

Finally, the "Palladium" architecture will enable a new class of identity service providers that can potentially offer users choices for how their identities are represented in online transactions. These service providers can also ensure that the user is in control of policies for how personal information is revealed to others. In addition, "Palladium" will allow users to employ identity service providers of their own choosing.

"Palladium" will not require digital rights management technology, and DRM will not require "Palladium."




Digital rights management (DRM) is an important, emerging technology that many believe will be central to the digital economy of the future. As a means of defining rules and setting policies that enhance the integrity and trust of digital content consumption, DRM is vital for a wide range of content-protection uses. Some examples of DRM are the protection of valuable intellectual property, trusted e-mail and persistent protection of corporate documents.

While DRM and "Palladium" are both supportive of Trustworthy Computing, neither is absolutely required for the other to work. DRM can be deployed on non-"Palladium" machines, and "Palladium" can provide users with benefits independent of DRM. They are separate technologies. That said, the current software-based DRM technologies can be rendered stronger when deployed on "Palladium"-based computers.

User information is not a requirement for "Palladium" to work.

"Palladium" authenticates software and hardware, not users. "Palladium" is about platform integrity, and enables users - whether in a corporate or home setting - to take advantage of system trustworthiness to establish multiple, separate identities, each to suit specific needs.

For example, an employee logs onto the corporate network from home. A trusted gateway server at the corporate network mediates the remote access connection, allowing only trusted applications to access the network. This ensures that the network is protected against infection from attacks by viruses that the home user might have received through personal e-mail. Once connected, the employee can use Remote Desktop to access the computer at the office or save a file back to the corporate server by using locally active Trusted Agents and sealed storage (see below) on the client.

With this technology, the corporate network is protected, while the individual can also be confident that the company is not using the remote connection as an opportunity to snoop into the contents of the user's home computer.

"Palladium" will enable closed spheres of trust.

A closed sphere of trust binds data or a service to both a set of users (logon) and to a set of acceptable applications. As shown in Figure 2, the nexus (formerly referred to as the Trusted Operating Root, or TOR) does not simply open the vault; the nexus will open only a particular vault, and only for a small list of applications.


Figure 2: Closed Sphere of Trust


"Palladium" is an opt-in system.

"Palladium" is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will ship with the "Palladium" hardware and software features turned off. The user of the system can choose to simply stay with this default setting, leaving all "Palladium"-related capabilities (hardware and software) disabled.


"Palladium" will not require digital rights management technology, and DRM will not require "Palladium."



While DRM and "Palladium" are both supportive of Trustworthy Computing, neither is absolutely required for the other to work. DRM can be deployed on non-"Palladium" machines, and "Palladium" can provide users with benefits independent of DRM. They are separate technologies. That said, the current software-based DRM technologies can be rendered stronger when deployed on "Palladium"-based computers.


Turning "Palladium" completely off includes turning it off in hardware, which prevents any software from turning it back on. Users have the ultimate control over their systems and their information; "Palladium" does not entail any global requirements.


here is a summary break it down as to why this is bad
it says that dvr is seperate and this can be turned off?
eventually they will have to stop internet theft

break it down as to why this is bad?am i missing something

thanks
mike
 

Nothinman

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AMD is also going to support Palladium.

If that's so, I'll be using their last Palladium-free revisions of Hammer for quite a while.

Luckily I use Linux for 99% of my day to day activities and as long as the hardware can POST and exec the MBR without MS support I'll be fine.

it says that dvr is seperate and this can be turned off?
eventually they will have to stop internet theft

Why did you waste all that space copying what was already in the posted lnks?

And did you read the "privacy implications" link? And do you really think it'll be togglable forever?

There have already been instances of people ripping CDs to WMA and losing access to them after reinstalling the OS because of DRM being on by default in WMP. People lose data to EFS all the time because they don't know how to use it. Is this their own fault? Sure. Is the technology that's biting them helping anyone? Not really.

Also they'll never stop Internet theft, they'll just slow down the non-techie people who need Napster and Kazaa to do the work for them.
 

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8 proc current spec processors here I come (4 x 2 ghz be good enough iuntil this stuff blows over? Wink 2k is fine for me ;))

This could suck. I don't wanna have to not update because some peopel don't want me doing illegal stuff on my PC. It's meant to be MY PC FFS!!!!
 

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Actually, this is different from the MS proposal & is somewhat of a competitive alternative to what MS is offering, but I'm pretty sure Intel isn't aiming at personal users with this technology. Instead, Intel is shooting for e-commerce sites so that our CC numbers, etc. don't lose their secure status at any point once we type them into a web page & click "buy". In a nutshell, Intel will allow data to remain forever in its encrypted state instead of coming delivered encrypted & then once inside the computer becoming unencrypted. This is similar to a proposal that IBM has tabled.
 

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From the first paragraph in the white paper:
"Palladium" is the code name for an evolutionary set of features for the Microsoft® Windows® operating system. When combined with a new breed of hardware and applications, these features will give individuals and groups of users greater data security, personal privacy, and system integrity.
See? M$'s priority is giving us greater personal privacy. It says it right there so it MUST be true...;)
 

THUGSROOK

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yea itll give us greater personal privacy - by taking away our privacy?

the best privacy is to be invisable - not running around with an ID card to enter every single door every single time.

all hardware will be coded to identify YOU at all times - change that hardware and you will need to get a new ID. -----sound familiar?

no ID no fully functional OS - see where this going? its BS!
 

THUGSROOK

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sorry for ranting but i have more....

so much for that monopoly lawsuit huh?
so this is what happens when the US govn has a corp by the balls?
"you work for us now, youll do as we say"

:disgust:
 

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Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
yea itll give us greater personal privacy - by taking away our privacy?

the best privacy is to be invisable - not running around with an ID card to enter every single door every single time.

I agree completely. This security they are proposing is not to protect us from hackers and virii but to protect them from us.

 

THUGSROOK

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exactly!

they dont care about our privacy ~ they want to be able to ID and track us and our every movement, every keystroke, every file run, every dload/upload made.

"to protect them from us"

:disgust:
 

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"'Palladium'...Combining Microsoft Windows Features, Personal Computing Hardware, and Software Applications for Greater Security, Personal Privacy and System Integrity", spoke Bill the White, in a soothing voice.
 

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Ok, I know I'll be flamed for this because anything that isn't completely anti-microsoft will be shot down but here goes......
If you'd bother to read the thing, it says that current applications that are not Palladium enabled will not require you to use Palladium. Palladium is an initiative to get software developers, not neccessarily Microsoft, to develope applications using new OS functions (i.e. new API calls) that supposedly use a more "secure" method of transfering the command from the OS to the hardware. Most bugs and hacks nowadays takes advantage of M$'s piss poor ability to integrate everything in their OS (like IE) but not putting enough security between those applications that are integrated. Instead of fixing it, they're introducing a new environment (separate from that of all the other stuff you're running now) that is suppose to be more secure. Whether it is or not is anyone's guess. Although seeing M$'s track record.......
Whether third party software developers feel that in order to maintain security, you will need to give out your private information will be up to them. And frankly, if you don't trust your third party software developers, you shouldn't be using a computer. It won't be any different as when you're using IE now. The information that IE requires you to give it already takes away a lot of your privacy. The only difference is, now it'll be harder for other people to gain that information, not just Microsoft.
 

Nothinman

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Palladium is an initiative to get software developers, not neccessarily Microsoft, to develope applications using new OS functions (i.e. new API calls) that supposedly use a more "secure" method of transfering the command from the OS to the hardware.

Why does the OS->hardware conversation need to be more secure? Don't you trust your current device drivers?

What it boils down to is they want a way to authenticate you, so they can allow/deny access to data at will. Like if you download a movie trailer that says you can play it for 5 days, on the 6th day you'll be denied the ability to play the file because you no longer have a valid license for it. Every file will come with a license embedded in it and your ability to use that file will rely totally on MS' software.

Most bugs and hacks nowadays takes advantage of M$'s piss poor ability to integrate everything in their OS (like IE) but not putting enough security between those applications that are integrated.

No, they come from MS' developers not knowing how to check buffer lenghts and not taking into account that some non-standard data might arrive. Linux gets by just fine without Palladium and a large chunk of the environment running on top of Linux is built on the ability of apps to talk to each other and form bigger, more complex programs out of lots of small simple programs.

Whether third party software developers feel that in order to maintain security, you will need to give out your private information will be up to them

Why should it be up to them? It's my personal information.

And frankly, if you don't trust your third party software developers, you shouldn't be using a computer.

Then why all the need for personal firewalls that block outgoing data?

It won't be any different as when you're using IE now. The information that IE requires you to give it already takes away a lot of your privacy.

I have never given IE any information that can identify me.

The only difference is, now it'll be harder for other people to gain that information, not just Microsoft.

Right, the same people who got broken into, twice was it?, in the same year.