Next target for RIAA....Satellite Radio!

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Satellite radio irks record industry
Major labels argue radio subscribers can use new portable devices to illegally download songs.

October 5, 2005: 6:05 PM EDT
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The record industry may next aim its legal guns at satellite radio over a dispute involving new portable players that let listeners record and store songs, an analyst and industry sources said Wednesday.

The record industry, led by major labels such as Vivendi Universal (Research), Warner Music Group Corp. (Research), EMI Group Plc and Sony BMG, believe the recording capability is a clear copyright violation and could take revenue away from paid download music services.

Illegal song trading has been blamed by the record industry for declines in sales, and labels have become increasingly aggressive in their legal battles to defend their product. Now that focus includes portable players.

"There are genuine issues here, but it is our continuing hope that we can resolve this on a business to business basis," said an RIAA spokesman.

Two music industry sources said that the two sides were in talks to resolve the issue and could go to court over the matter.

JP Morgan analyst Barton Crockett suggested in a report that there might be more conflict in store.

"Based on recent talks with execs at record labels and the Recording Industry Association of America, we see potential spats ahead. RIAA may file a lawsuit this fall to stop a new feature for upcoming wearable satellite radios," he wrote.

No. 1 satellite provider XM Satellite Radio Holdings Inc. (Research) said it was also hopeful the issues would be resolved.

"The music industry is an important partner, and we continue to listen to their concerns in hopes of finding a resolution that benefits everyone, especially consumers," said Nathaniel Brown, a spokesman for XM.

Sirius Satellite Radio Inc. (Research) declined comment.

In August Sirius said it would introduce a small portable device, dubbed the S50, for its subscription radio service that can store 50 hours of music, news and programs from Sirius channels, in a move to narrow the gap with XM Satellite, which has had a portable device on the market since last fall.

Beginning in the fourth quarter, XM will also begin to offer MP3-enabled portable satellite radios developed by Korea's Samsung Electronics Co Ltd.

Even if the conflict winds up in court, Crockett said in his report he did not believe such a suit would succeed because fair use laws allow users to record songs for their own use.

He said it could would pose a "headline risk" for satellite radio and prompt a lobbying push by the recording industry as the two industries wrangle over a new music rights contract.

Crockett said the RIAA may seek $1 billion plus in music rights fees for a new contract covering 2007 to 2012 to replace the current $80 million pact that expires in 2006.

But the record industry expects these contract talks will wind up in arbitration, one source said.

In the meantime, XM has announced a partnership with paid service Napster Inc. (Research) that lets portable-device listeners mark songs they hear on the satellite service to purchase from Napster.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/05/technology/record_satellite.reut/index.htm
 

Kelemvor

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When is the RIAA going to realize that no one wants what they have to offer at the price they want to offer it at? CDs are not work $15 - $20 and as long as they are that price, not many people will buy them.
 

aircooled

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I pay for XM, and just like TV I'm sure I'm legally allowed to record something as long as I dont put it on P2P or torrent.

Just because the device can record shouldn't make them liable for lawbreaking...

 

40Hands

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I have said it before and I will say it many times in the future:

Fvck the RIAA in their collective asshole.
 

tweakmm

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
the RIAA can push the grandmas around, but i really hope XM or Apple put them in their place
Haha, the RIAA also pushes the legislature around.
FAT chance about XM or Apple putting them in their place.
 

DanTMWTMP

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gahhh WTF. RIAA now has a bad name. Everytime I hear it, I wish there was a person named RIAA so I can beat him to a pulp
 

JoLLyRoGer

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
FFS, when does it stop?

Let's put it this way. If the RIAA wins this then the MPAA will be coming after our Tivo boxes next! It will be the 1984 Sony-Betamax case all over again except this time the courts uphold a new precedent and soon after all recordable media as we know it will cease to exist. Radio and satellite service alike will become a pay-per-listen service.

Tune in next week as the RIAA seeks eleventy-billion in damages in a nation-wide class action law suit against cover-bands in local bars everywhere!!!

Editing my sig now!
 

ShadowBlade

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riaa should give up.
There will always be ways to steal music, even if it comes down to walking into a store and taking a CD off the shelf.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
FFS, when does it stop?

Let's put it this way. If the RIAA wins this then the MPAA will be coming after our Tivo boxes next! It will be the 1984 Sony-Betamax case all over again except this time the courts uphold a new precedent and soon after all recordable media as we know it will cease to exist. Radio and satellite service alike will become a pay-per-listen service.

Tune in next week as the RIAA seeks eleventy-billion in damages in a nation-wide class action law suit against cover-bands in local bars everywhere!!!

Editing my sig now!

I just have this crazy idea about the consumer dictating their needs, and intelligent companies seeing the obvious patterns and catering to them (rather than attempting to litigate themselves out of existence). I know, I'm a looney, I'll go put on my tinfoil hat now.
 

Linflas

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Rather than moan about it here concerned people need to get involved and a good place to start is at Electronic Frontier Foundation. There is more to be concerned with than just the RIAA. Also write your representatives and express support for bills like the one linked in my sig. If you just sit back and gripe about it to friends and on messageboards nothing will get changed.
 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: LordNoob
It belongs HERE

If you paid any attention to what's going on in these forums, as far as news goes for P&N, P&N is considered to be more for more politically charged news - things that people are going to argue back and forth (or flame back and forth as the case may be.)
 

PsharkJF

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Isn't this similar in theory to the old case about being able to record music off the radio? Except, you pay for this radio station. They should still lose, using that case as precedent.
 

JoLLyRoGer

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
FFS, when does it stop?

Let's put it this way. If the RIAA wins this then the MPAA will be coming after our Tivo boxes next! It will be the 1984 Sony-Betamax case all over again except this time the courts uphold a new precedent and soon after all recordable media as we know it will cease to exist. Radio and satellite service alike will become a pay-per-listen service.

Tune in next week as the RIAA seeks eleventy-billion in damages in a nation-wide class action law suit against cover-bands in local bars everywhere!!!

Editing my sig now!

I just have this crazy idea about the consumer dictating their needs, and intelligent companies seeing the obvious patterns and catering to them (rather than attempting to litigate themselves out of existence). I know, I'm a looney, I'll go put on my tinfoil hat now.

LOL.. Well Said..