Next high end video cards

[pcslookout]

Will they take less power than the current geforce 8800 video cards or more ?

 

[bryanW1995]

they will be going down to 65/55 nm, so they'll be able to do more with less heat. if they go dual core then you could end up seeing a very large jump in perf with a small increase in power consumption.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Once again there will be no such thing as "Dual Core". GPUs are already multi core (quads etc) in the same cooncept as what it means to a CPU. Having two GPUs on one package would cause major wiring problems, especially to the memory side of things. IT would make sense if it was a GX2 style card, or two GPUS on one PCB type concept, but as usual its better to have a single chip solution rather than dual chip. Dual chips tend to cause PCB nightmares resulting in very over sized cards, software issues e.g SLi/Crossfire and makes sense if they can keep a healthy margin due to the chip being cheap to produce. One good example is the G71 based 7950GX2.

To the OP, yes of course it will since to the move to 65nm from 90nm process is quite a leap, but it really depends on what nVIDIA is planning to do next. Are they going to release a 512bit powerhouse of a card or stick to the usual trend? i.e 7800GTX to 7900GTX etc.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Once again there will be no such thing as "Dual Core". GPUs are already multi core (quads etc) in the same cooncept as what it means to a CPU. Having two GPUs on one package would cause major wiring problems, especially to the memory side of things. IT would make sense if it was a GX2 style card, or two GPUS on one PCB type concept, but as usual its better to have a single chip solution rather than dual chip. Dual chips tend to cause PCB nightmares resulting in very over sized cards, software issues e.g SLi/Crossfire and makes sense if they can keep a healthy margin due to the chip being cheap to produce. One good example is the G71 based 7950GX2.

To the OP, yes of course it will since to the move to 65nm from 90nm process is quite a leap, but it really depends on what nVIDIA is planning to do next. Are they going to release a 512bit powerhouse of a card or stick to the usual trend? i.e 7800GTX to 7900GTX etc.

What do you think they will do ?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Sorry but nVIDIA has been very successful at spreading mis information to even the "insiders" that anything could happen. Personally, i would like to see a powerhouse card enough to burn down a barn.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Sorry but nVIDIA has been very successful at spreading mis information to even the "insiders" that anything could happen. Personally, i would like to see a powerhouse card enough to burn down a barn.

I really hope so! 4 times faster than a Geforce 8800 Ultra would be really great but I am sure impossible for even nvidia to do Would be nice to have to get 8x AA and 16x AF with though at any resolution.

Do you remember the video nvidia hosted on their website for the Geforce FX I think it was ? I still can remember that to this day! Have they ever done that again for other video cards or just the Geforce FX ? I don't keep up as much as I use to.

 

[imported_Kiwi]

There was "Dawn", the tree sprite, and her follow-on (Dusk), then the aquatic video (Nalu) for the 6xxx series, and "Luna" in there somewhere, but I lost track after that, maybe there were more (perhaps an "Adrianne" for the 8xxx generation?)

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Once again there will be no such thing as "Dual Core". GPUs are already multi core (quads etc) in the same cooncept as what it means to a CPU. Having two GPUs on one package would cause major wiring problems, especially to the memory side of things. IT would make sense if it was a GX2 style card, or two GPUS on one PCB type concept, but as usual its better to have a single chip solution rather than dual chip. Dual chips tend to cause PCB nightmares resulting in very over sized cards, software issues e.g SLi/Crossfire and makes sense if they can keep a healthy margin due to the chip being cheap to produce. One good example is the G71 based 7950GX2.

To the OP, yes of course it will since to the move to 65nm from 90nm process is quite a leap, but it really depends on what nVIDIA is planning to do next. Are they going to release a 512bit powerhouse of a card or stick to the usual trend? i.e 7800GTX to 7900GTX etc.

3DFX's VSA-100 chips featured multiple processors on the same board, and the GX2's from Nvidia also featured two 7950s on a double decker PCB. There were also dual 6800GT and 6600GT boards produced. I can't imagine the wiring for these cards being any more difficult than two GPUs on the same die.

ATI's R700 is rumored to be similar to the VSA-100, in that it will have multiple GPUs on a single PCB. Whether it's multi-core and merely multiple GPUs on a single PCB remains to be seen. Of course, it is a long way off.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Bateluer


3DFX's VSA-100 chips featured multiple processors on the same board, and the GX2's from Nvidia also featured two 7950s on a double decker PCB. There were also dual 6800GT and 6600GT boards produced. I can't imagine the wiring for these cards being any more difficult than two GPUs on the same die.

ATI's R700 is rumored to be similar to the VSA-100, in that it will have multiple GPUs on a single PCB. Whether it's multi-core and merely multiple GPUs on a single PCB remains to be seen. Of course, it is a long way off.

3DFX's VSA-100 chips were also exponentially simpler in design compared to even NV40. Probably ony had 1 or two pipelines per core (if that) at the time.

The GX2 had two boards each with it's own PCB even though it used 1 PCI-e slot.

Those 6 series cards that ASUS and Gigabyte created were MONSTROUSLY huge and complicated. Not practical.

You may not understand that a GPU is not like a CPU. CPU's have only one "pipeline" each.
GPU's have many. 7900's had 24 pipelines so in a sense, 24 cores.

And look at G80 and R600 with 128/320 shader processors. GPU's went multicore years ago when the first graphics core was greater than 1 pipe.

 

[Laminator]

Originally posted by: Kiwi
There was "Dawn", the tree sprite, and her follow-on (Dusk), then the aquatic video (Nalu) for the 6xxx series, and "Luna" in there somewhere, but I lost track after that, maybe there were more (perhaps an "Adrianne" for the 8xxx generation?)

GeForce3 - "Chameleon"
GeForce4 - ???
GeForce FX - "Dawn"/"Dusk"
GeForce 6 - "Nalu"
GeForce 7 - "Mad Mod Mike"

I'm not sure if GeForce 8 has an official "mascot"; "Adrianne" is a rendering of real-life model Adrianne Curry. There are also multiple characters for each generation; GeForce 6 also had Timbury and GeForce 7 had Luna. You can download all the demos here (both in video and executable form; of course, you have to have a powerful-enough graphics card to run the later demos at decent speeds):

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_nvidia.html

Also, nVidia still hosts the old videos on their site! Look what I found:

http://www.nvidia.com/content/...4_testimonials_wm.html

 

[Munky]

Based on historical trends, next gen cards will be more power efficient, but will also feature more transistors for improved performance that will offset the power savings. Unless the next cards are just refreshes with a die shrink and speed bump, it's most likely that those cards will use just as much power as current cards, only provide greater performance.

 

[woolfe9999]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Once again there will be no such thing as "Dual Core". GPUs are already multi core (quads etc) in the same cooncept as what it means to a CPU. Having two GPUs on one package would cause major wiring problems, especially to the memory side of things. IT would make sense if it was a GX2 style card, or two GPUS on one PCB type concept, but as usual its better to have a single chip solution rather than dual chip. Dual chips tend to cause PCB nightmares resulting in very over sized cards, software issues e.g SLi/Crossfire and makes sense if they can keep a healthy margin due to the chip being cheap to produce. One good example is the G71 based 7950GX2.

To the OP, yes of course it will since to the move to 65nm from 90nm process is quite a leap, but it really depends on what nVIDIA is planning to do next. Are they going to release a 512bit powerhouse of a card or stick to the usual trend? i.e 7800GTX to 7900GTX etc.

3DFX's VSA-100 chips featured multiple processors on the same board, and the GX2's from Nvidia also featured two 7950s on a double decker PCB. There were also dual 6800GT and 6600GT boards produced. I can't imagine the wiring for these cards being any more difficult than two GPUs on the same die.

ATI's R700 is rumored to be similar to the VSA-100, in that it will have multiple GPUs on a single PCB. Whether it's multi-core and merely multiple GPUs on a single PCB remains to be seen. Of course, it is a long way off.

A lof of people forget that ATI had a dual-core board out prior to VSA-100, I think about the time that Geforce 1 came out. I think it was Rage Fury Maxx.

- woolfe

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: munky
Based on historical trends, next gen cards will be more power efficient, but will also feature more transistors for improved performance that will offset the power savings. Unless the next cards are just refreshes with a die shrink and speed bump, it's most likely that those cards will use just as much power as current cards, only provide greater performance.

Truth! ^^^

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: Laminator
GeForce3 - "Chameleon"
GeForce4 - ???
GeForce FX - "Dawn"/"Dusk"
GeForce 6 - "Nalu"
GeForce 7 - "Mad Mod Mike"

I'm not sure if GeForce 8 has an official "mascot"; "Adrianne" is a rendering of real-life model Adrianne Curry. There are also multiple characters for each generation; GeForce 6 also had Timbury and GeForce 7 had Luna. You can download all the demos here (both in video and executable form; of course, you have to have a powerful-enough graphics card to run the later demos at decent speeds):

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_nvidia.html

Also, nVidia still hosts the old videos on their site! Look what I found:

http://www.nvidia.com/content/...4_testimonials_wm.html

GeForce 8 - "Human Head"

 

[bryanW1995]

nvidia has no reason to put out anything better than the 8800 ultra right now b/c DAMMIT can't match it. If anything, they could come up with a card that is based upon nv92 that gets similar perf to 8800 gtx/ultra but costs them a lot less to make, maybe 8900 gt/gtx? IMHO, we are looking at Q1 08 as a best case scenario for improved graphics top-end, but probably more into Q2 or Q3.