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Next-Gen's Best 30 Games of 2007

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Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: randay
nice list except personally i despise mario, but its pointless to argue against its heritage. Id like to see them make more lists, specialized ones like by console, genre, etc...

I've got to ask, with such a stong opinion as "despise" against such a beloved franchise, why? Are you not in to platformers? Is there something in particular about the protagonist, Mario, that you dislike?

I have to ask because I've never heard someone hate Mario.

Maybe it's because he's a greasy Eye-tallian.
 
Originally posted by: randay
nice list except personally i despise mario, but its pointless to argue against its heritage. Id like to see them make more lists, specialized ones like by console, genre, etc...

Keep in mind that SMG is not #1 because of its heritage. It's #1 because it's fucking awesome.
 
I'd drop all the DS and flashwannabe titles. COD above Halo 3. Rockband may be above GH3 for introducing a new multiplayer element, but if you don't play multi I don't think it's as fun. Would also boost SC several spots, but that may be a little bit of favortism. 😀
 
Finally a list where SMG is where it should be. Easily the best game I've played this year on any system. Way way better than halo 3.

Personally though for single player BioShock is better than Orange Box unless its Portal. But multiplayer wise Orange Box kicks BioShocks watery butt.
 
Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: randay
nice list except personally i despise mario, but its pointless to argue against its heritage. Id like to see them make more lists, specialized ones like by console, genre, etc...

I've got to ask, with such a stong opinion as "despise" against such a beloved franchise, why? Are you not in to platformers? Is there something in particular about the protagonist, Mario, that you dislike?

I have to ask because I've never heard someone hate Mario.

like i said no point to argue it, so ill let you call it an irrational hate of mario and all things that carry its namesake. hopefully thats enough and we dont have to discuss it anymore?
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Meh Rock Band over Bioshock?

re-playability/longevity > atmosphere

edit: and Pac-man at #10, beating out Crysis and Assassin's Creed? Jesus... it's a slight against got for a site called 'next gen' to put such a balls old game so high.
 
Rock band belongs up there. It might not the most original project in light of guitar hero's existence, but it is done so incredibly well, not to mention the quality of the instruments (guitar at least) so far surpass guitar hero that its not even funny. I hear the RB guitar breaks easily, but when it works, its heaven compared to the GH ones.

COD4 and ME should be far higher. Its also good to see god of war 2 get its props at the end of the year even though it was released so early.

But pac man CE shouldnt even be on that list. Give me a f*cking break. If theyre going to open it up to remakes of 30 year old games released on XBLA, they might as well open it up to virtual console games and give Zelda OoT game of the year, since its now running at 640x480 and theres a savestate. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Rock band belongs up there. It might not the most original project in light of guitar hero's existence, but it is done so incredibly well, not to mention the quality of the instruments (guitar at least) so far surpass guitar hero that its not even funny. I hear the RB guitar breaks easily, but when it works, its heaven compared to the GH ones.

personally i like the gh3 guitar better then the rb guitar. i like the click and the buttons. i also like that its wireless.
 
Originally posted by: warcrow
Originally posted by: randay
nice list except personally i despise mario, but its pointless to argue against its heritage. Id like to see them make more lists, specialized ones like by console, genre, etc...

I've got to ask, with such a stong opinion as "despise" against such a beloved franchise, why? Are you not in to platformers? Is there something in particular about the protagonist, Mario, that you dislike?

I have to ask because I've never heard someone hate Mario.

I actually agree with him.. I dont hate Mario, I fall into the whole "don't really care for platformers" category, even though this year there were 2 great ones. So to me, seeing SMG at the #1 spot is just as annoying as seeing Halo 3 at #1 is to people who prefer this order. I understand the choice, I just don't particularly agree with it.

I also think they are trying to do too much with this list. I can see adding PC, but Handhelds and "Arcade" games play in a completely different ballpark. I appreciate what they are trying to do, however I think it overly dilutes the final product.





 
Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: BD2003
Rock band belongs up there. It might not the most original project in light of guitar hero's existence, but it is done so incredibly well, not to mention the quality of the instruments (guitar at least) so far surpass guitar hero that its not even funny. I hear the RB guitar breaks easily, but when it works, its heaven compared to the GH ones.

personally i like the gh3 guitar better then the rb guitar. i like the click and the buttons. i also like that its wireless.

Real guitars dont click when you strum/pick them, have buttons sticking out of the frets, and usually wont be wireless. They also dont feel like hollow pieces of cheap plastic. Even child sized guitars arent that small.

Its obviously personal preference, but the RB guitar is SO much more immersive. I never felt like I was actually playing the music with the GH3 toy guitar. Close a your eyes and strum the fat string shaped end of the RB guitar with your thumb, and its pretty damn close to playing a bass guitar. Now if they made the next iteration loose enough that I could actually use a pick, it would umm.....rock so hard. 😛

The drums need a little work though.
 
Originally posted by: gorcorps
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Meh Rock Band over Bioshock?

re-playability/longevity > atmosphere

edit: and Pac-man at #10, beating out Crysis and Assassin's Creed? Jesus... it's a slight against got for a site called 'next gen' to put such a balls old game so high.

Shrug. To me Rock Band is just Guitar Hero with some additional instruments. Sure it is replayable but Bioshock was freaking awesome regardless. I figure 10 years from now I'll think of Bioshock before I think of Rock Band therefore Bioshock > Rock Band.
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Originally posted by: gorcorps
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Meh Rock Band over Bioshock?

re-playability/longevity > atmosphere

edit: and Pac-man at #10, beating out Crysis and Assassin's Creed? Jesus... it's a slight against got for a site called 'next gen' to put such a balls old game so high.

Shrug. To me Rock Band is just Guitar Hero with some additional instruments. Sure it is replayable but Bioshock was freaking awesome regardless. I figure 10 years from now I'll think of Bioshock before I think of Rock Band therefore Bioshock > Rock Band.

hell yeah, Bioshock >>>>Rock Band
 
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: randay
nice list except personally i despise mario, but its pointless to argue against its heritage. Id like to see them make more lists, specialized ones like by console, genre, etc...

Keep in mind that SMG is not #1 because of its heritage. It's #1 because it's fucking awesome.

Agreed. My g/f never plays video games with me, but I had her try SMG & she cannot put it down.
 
meh, if you want games like RB and GH to have better guitars, why don't you just play a real one???

to me, games are a way to imagine i'm doing something in a game i can't normally do. playing instruments is not something i want to do.
 
Originally posted by: bdubyah
meh, if you want games like RB and GH to have better guitars, why don't you just play a real one???


I've played guitar for 20 years and I love RockBand. When I want to play guitar, I go play it and when I want to play a videogame, I'll often choose RB.

How about that??????????????????????

 
Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Originally posted by: bdubyah
meh, if you want games like RB and GH to have better guitars, why don't you just play a real one???


I've played guitar for 20 years and I love RockBand. When I want to play guitar, I go play it and when I want to play a videogame, I'll often choose RB.

How about that??????????????????????

I think what he meant was that he sucks so badly at RB and GH that he'd rather suck at playing a real guitar instead of sucking at a video game.
 
A few complaints:

Portal should have put OB higher. I'd even say #1. That's just me, I mean when you combine Portal w/ TF2 w/ Ep 2, you really can't compete with that lineup. It's almost not even fair. I understand their thought process on putting the other 3 games ahead of it though (they seemed to be focused on unique game play entries with the top 3 spots over pure game play value).

My only flat out disbelief is Puzzle Quest at #17. I don't have anything against flash games or puzzle games, but PQ was a gimmick. The gimmick was RPG elements in a puzzle game, and for that reason alone a lot of people bought it. But a lot of people also learned that the gimmick that caused them to buy it was also the gimmick that broke the game 7 ways to sunday. The balance on magic and skills is so broken that the game actually has a reversed difficulty curve as it continually gets easier and easier. It's a cool concept, but a broken game, and deserves being on some "honorable mentions" list but not the top 30.

The biggest issue with this list is what simply isn't present. If you started to compile a list of games across all platforms for 2007, you might start wondering where certain items ended up. Things like FF12: Revenant Wings, The Witcher, and Unreal Tournament 3 just off the top of my head.
 
I don't really agree that CoD4 was below Halo3, but there are plenty of people that would agree with that order based on new features like the forge or video sharing. I personally don't use those features really, and I vastly prefer CoD4 multiplayer to Halo3's. That has a lot to do with personal preference (it's not a "who can get that bash off first" game). As far as the single player game play, I liked both. I'm not sure that I can rate one over the other. Again with multiplayer, it seems like IF spent more time than Bungie on making the maps more refined. I can't say that I'm a huge fan of the halo3 maps, and after 3 iterations of halo, I can't say that I love having vehicles on such small maps. That being said, halo3 supports "social" 4 person multiplayer play, which is a huge benifit. I play CoD4 most of the time when I'm playing alone. However, I game with other people about half of the time. 4 of us can play halo3 on live at a time; however, this isn't possible with CoD4 (my biggest gripe).

As far as the rest of the rankings, there are certain games that I wouldn't have included on that list (pac man and such). Zelda definitely belongs... as does world of warcraft... and although I hate rock band and GH... those games belong on the list based on how many people do love them. I personally think that Mass Effect should have been a bit higher (above Assassin's Creed IMHO).

In any case, game rankings and reviews have a HUGE amount of personal preference in with them. You can't even base a game on sales anymore because of the amount of hype that was generated. In all honesty, if I just played by myself, I would have just rented Halo3 for the single player and stuck with CoD4 for multiplayer. However, because it was the third part in a trilogy of a set of games that I loved, I bought it at midnight when it came out.
 
thanks for the mature response...

i do not play guitar nor do i play either of those games. i was just making an observation. nice to know people are so open to discussion.
 
At least CoD4 isn't in Top 5. Just read over Gamespy's craptastic list last night and it was ontop/in top 3 for every platform. It's a nice shooter, but no way game of the year with the same 'ole it provides.
 
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