Unless of course you value a smaller/slimmer form factor that a touchscreen can give you over a physical keyboard....as for the contact issue, you just click the contact icon, then press the letter of the name you want on the little bar on the right, and voila! The names that begin with that latter....
Unless of course you value a smaller/slimmer form factor that a touchscreen can give you over a physical keyboard....as for the contact issue, you just click the contact icon, then press the letter of the name you want on the little bar on the right, and voila! The names that begin with that latter....
Muadib
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I guess your pal didn't tell you that you could have just hit the letter of the contact that you wanted off on the right side, and it would have jumped to the contacts that start with that letter.
While I agree with you that there that there will always be a market for keypad users, how long it will remain viable for companies to cater to those people remains to be seen. The iPhone is the biggest selling phone in the US, and it still hasn't been 2 years yet. Every cell phone maker has been trying to play catchup, but it's pretty clear that 99% of them don't have a clue.
The apple app store is a huge success. Before I got my iPhone, I recall how everyone told me how great Symbian was, how nothing could touch it. I tried phones based on it, and was quite underwhelmed. Now less than 8 months later, symbian seems dated.
You may not like it, but the iPhone is a game changer. I'm no Apple fanboi, but giving the average Joe what he wants, is how you survive in business. Apple has been very good at that lately, and they are striving, while most of the other cell phone makers are dying.
Yeah, there may always be people who want a real keyboard, but then, I know people who still use laser disk players too.
Originally posted by: Muadib
I guess your pal didn't tell you that you could have just hit the letter of the contact that you wanted off on the right side, and it would have jumped to the contacts that start with that letter.
While I agree with you that there that there will always be a market for keypad users, how long it will remain viable for companies to cater to those people remains to be seen. The iPhone is the biggest selling phone in the US, and it still hasn't been 2 years yet. Every cell phone maker has been trying to play catchup, but it's pretty clear that 99% of them don't have a clue.
The apple app store is a huge success. Before I got my iPhone, I recall how everyone told me how great Symbian was, how nothing could touch it. I tried phones based on it, and was quite underwhelmed. Now less than 8 months later, symbian seems dated.
You may not like it, but the iPhone is a game changer. I'm no Apple fanboi, but giving the average Joe what he wants, is how you survive in business. Apple has been very good at that lately, and they are striving, while most of the other cell phone makers are dying.
Yeah, there may always be people who want a real keyboard, but then, I know people who still use laser disk players too.
Let's not get too carried away. According to IDC, from Q3 to Q4 2008 Blackberry's marketshare in the US increased from 40% to 47% while Apple's decreased from 30% to 22% in the same period. While the iPhone may be the best selling indvidual handset, it's the only phone Apple sells, and it's only available on one carrier out of the "big 4". http://www.thestandard.com/new...p-q4-blackberry-surges
As much as people love their iPhones, I've seen plenty of just as devoted Blackberry ("Crackberry") advocates.
The iPhone is definitely a game changer - of this there can be no doubt. But saying that people who want keyboards on their phones are like people who want laser disk players is perhaps stretching things more than a little too far.
People will always type faster when they can distinguish the individual keys using tactile response - particularly in non-ideal lighting conditions (like outside in the bright sun). If you really want to send a lot of messages, I can't possibly imagine anyone really preferring a touchscreen keyboard vs. a real keyboard. I can imagine getting by well enough with a touchscreen, but in a parallel universe, if one had a slide out keyboard on an iPhone and needed to type a long message, I can't imagine that one wouldn't slide out the keyboard and would instead prefer to use the touchscreen. Keyboards are better.... but they either take up half the real-estate on the front of the phone, or if they are slide out they make the phone bulky and thick.
iPhone penetration in the business market is pretty low. I work for Intel, and lately we seem to have a bit of a corporate love-affair with Apple, but if you need a cell phone for work use and want Intel to pay for it, an iPhone isn't on the list... it's instead totally dominated by Blackberries. I believe that part of this has to do with security, part of it has to do with Apple's implementation of it's exchange server software, but a significant part of this has to do with the perception that the iPhone is a toy rather than a serious business cell phone. And I think a good portion of the perception that it's a toy comes from the lack of a keyboard.
It's also worth putting things in perspective by pointing out that worldwide marketshare of the iPhone is not very high so that while it's fair to say that the iPhone has been a major game-changer in the US cell phone market, it hasn't had anywhere near as profound an effect in the worldwide cell phone market. Worldwide marketshare for the iPhone among smart phones appears to be ~13% from the most recent data that I could fine. For just the European market iPhone market share is roughly 8%. In the Japanese market - a place with a lot of smartphones - the iPhone has ~1.3% market share. m working from Europe right now, and I haven't seen an iPhone here at all since I landed in London Heathrow over 3 weeks ago.
Muadib
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Originally posted by: pm
Originally posted by: Muadib
I guess your pal didn't tell you that you could have just hit the letter of the contact that you wanted off on the right side, and it would have jumped to the contacts that start with that letter.
While I agree with you that there that there will always be a market for keypad users, how long it will remain viable for companies to cater to those people remains to be seen. The iPhone is the biggest selling phone in the US, and it still hasn't been 2 years yet. Every cell phone maker has been trying to play catchup, but it's pretty clear that 99% of them don't have a clue.
The apple app store is a huge success. Before I got my iPhone, I recall how everyone told me how great Symbian was, how nothing could touch it. I tried phones based on it, and was quite underwhelmed. Now less than 8 months later, symbian seems dated.
You may not like it, but the iPhone is a game changer. I'm no Apple fanboi, but giving the average Joe what he wants, is how you survive in business. Apple has been very good at that lately, and they are striving, while most of the other cell phone makers are dying.
Yeah, there may always be people who want a real keyboard, but then, I know people who still use laser disk players too.
Let's not get too carried away. According to IDC, from Q3 to Q4 2008 Blackberry's marketshare in the US increased from 40% to 47% while Apple's decreased from 30% to 22% in the same period. While the iPhone may be the best selling indvidual handset, it's the only phone Apple sells, and it's only available on one carrier out of the "big 4". http://www.thestandard.com/new...p-q4-blackberry-surges
As much as people love their iPhones, I've seen plenty of just as devoted Blackberry ("Crackberry") advocates.
The iPhone is definitely a game changer - of this there can be no doubt. But saying that people who want keyboards on their phones are like people who want laser disk players is perhaps stretching things more than a little too far.
People will always type faster when they can distinguish the individual keys using tactile response - particularly in non-ideal lighting conditions (like outside in the bright sun). If you really want to send a lot of messages, I can't possibly imagine anyone really preferring a touchscreen keyboard vs. a real keyboard. I can imagine getting by well enough with a touchscreen, but in a parallel universe, if one had a slide out keyboard on an iPhone and needed to type a long message, I can't imagine that one wouldn't slide out the keyboard and would instead prefer to use the touchscreen. Keyboards are better.... but they either take up half the real-estate on the front of the phone, or if they are slide out they make the phone bulky and thick.
iPhone penetration in the business market is pretty low. I work for Intel, and lately we seem to have a bit of a corporate love-affair with Apple, but if you need a cell phone for work use and want Intel to pay for it, an iPhone isn't on the list... it's instead totally dominated by Blackberries. I believe that part of this has to do with security, part of it has to do with Apple's implementation of it's exchange server software, but a significant part of this has to do with the perception that the iPhone is a toy rather than a serious business cell phone. And I think a good portion of the perception that it's a toy comes from the lack of a keyboard.
It's also worth putting things in perspective by pointing out that worldwide marketshare of the iPhone is not very high so that while it's fair to say that the iPhone has been a major game-changer in the US cell phone market, it hasn't had anywhere near as profound an effect in the worldwide cell phone market. Worldwide marketshare for the iPhone among smart phones appears to be ~13% from the most recent data that I could fine. For just the European market iPhone market share is roughly 8%. In the Japanese market - a place with a lot of smartphones - the iPhone has ~1.3% market share. m working from Europe right now, and I haven't seen an iPhone here at all since I landed in London Heathrow over 3 weeks ago.
I agree with you 1000% pm. I know quite a few Blackberry fans as well, in fact I had planned on getting the Bold myself. I think RIM is just as innovative as Apple when it comes to adjusting to what the public wants. They owe much of their 4th quarter marketshare increase to the Storm, a phone that is closer to the iPhone than their traditional stuff. They quickly adopted, and came up with something that could compete with the iPhone. What in sam hill happened to Motorola, Nokia, Sony, and Samsung?
I think at&t is a big part of why Apple lost some of their marketshare. Clearly at&t wasn't ready for the data demands that the iPhone brought to their network. It will be interesting to see if Apple extends their agreement with at&t.
And yes, business is the other reason. My job won't pay for an iPhone either, but I could get the Storm. All of your reasons as to why the iPhone isn't quite there yet for business are dead on, and you can add not allowing a removable battery to the list. Apple wants to change that though, so lets see what year 3 brings.
Since you were talking parallel universes, I want one where I don't have to type at all. I want to be able to talk, and have the phone take dictation! Yeah, it's just a dream now, but who knows for how long? Voice activation tech has come a long way in cars. I hated it in my 2004 TL because it was only about 60% accurate. In my 2009, it's improved by leaps & bounds, and I use it all the time now. Hearing it read the name of my contacts, emails & songs amazes me still. Hopefully, my dream isn't that far away.
Jump to the 1 minute mark of this video for a look of things to come.
QueBert
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Originally posted by: Muadib
Originally posted by: pm
Originally posted by: Muadib
I guess your pal didn't tell you that you could have just hit the letter of the contact that you wanted off on the right side, and it would have jumped to the contacts that start with that letter.
While I agree with you that there that there will always be a market for keypad users, how long it will remain viable for companies to cater to those people remains to be seen. The iPhone is the biggest selling phone in the US, and it still hasn't been 2 years yet. Every cell phone maker has been trying to play catchup, but it's pretty clear that 99% of them don't have a clue.
The apple app store is a huge success. Before I got my iPhone, I recall how everyone told me how great Symbian was, how nothing could touch it. I tried phones based on it, and was quite underwhelmed. Now less than 8 months later, symbian seems dated.
You may not like it, but the iPhone is a game changer. I'm no Apple fanboi, but giving the average Joe what he wants, is how you survive in business. Apple has been very good at that lately, and they are striving, while most of the other cell phone makers are dying.
Yeah, there may always be people who want a real keyboard, but then, I know people who still use laser disk players too.
Let's not get too carried away. According to IDC, from Q3 to Q4 2008 Blackberry's marketshare in the US increased from 40% to 47% while Apple's decreased from 30% to 22% in the same period. While the iPhone may be the best selling indvidual handset, it's the only phone Apple sells, and it's only available on one carrier out of the "big 4". http://www.thestandard.com/new...p-q4-blackberry-surges
As much as people love their iPhones, I've seen plenty of just as devoted Blackberry ("Crackberry") advocates.
The iPhone is definitely a game changer - of this there can be no doubt. But saying that people who want keyboards on their phones are like people who want laser disk players is perhaps stretching things more than a little too far.
People will always type faster when they can distinguish the individual keys using tactile response - particularly in non-ideal lighting conditions (like outside in the bright sun). If you really want to send a lot of messages, I can't possibly imagine anyone really preferring a touchscreen keyboard vs. a real keyboard. I can imagine getting by well enough with a touchscreen, but in a parallel universe, if one had a slide out keyboard on an iPhone and needed to type a long message, I can't imagine that one wouldn't slide out the keyboard and would instead prefer to use the touchscreen. Keyboards are better.... but they either take up half the real-estate on the front of the phone, or if they are slide out they make the phone bulky and thick.
iPhone penetration in the business market is pretty low. I work for Intel, and lately we seem to have a bit of a corporate love-affair with Apple, but if you need a cell phone for work use and want Intel to pay for it, an iPhone isn't on the list... it's instead totally dominated by Blackberries. I believe that part of this has to do with security, part of it has to do with Apple's implementation of it's exchange server software, but a significant part of this has to do with the perception that the iPhone is a toy rather than a serious business cell phone. And I think a good portion of the perception that it's a toy comes from the lack of a keyboard.
It's also worth putting things in perspective by pointing out that worldwide marketshare of the iPhone is not very high so that while it's fair to say that the iPhone has been a major game-changer in the US cell phone market, it hasn't had anywhere near as profound an effect in the worldwide cell phone market. Worldwide marketshare for the iPhone among smart phones appears to be ~13% from the most recent data that I could fine. For just the European market iPhone market share is roughly 8%. In the Japanese market - a place with a lot of smartphones - the iPhone has ~1.3% market share. m working from Europe right now, and I haven't seen an iPhone here at all since I landed in London Heathrow over 3 weeks ago.
I agree with you 1000% pm. I know quite a few Blackberry fans as well, in fact I had planned on getting the Bold myself. I think RIM is just as innovative as Apple when it comes to adjusting to what the public wants. They owe much of their 4th quarter marketshare increase to the Storm, a phone that is closer to the iPhone than their traditional stuff. They quickly adopted, and came up with something that could compete with the iPhone. What in sam hill happened to Motorola, Nokia, Sony, and Samsung?
I think at&t is a big part of why Apple lost some of their marketshare. Clearly at&t wasn't ready for the data demands that the iPhone brought to their network. It will be interesting to see if Apple extends their agreement with at&t.
And yes, business is the other reason. My job won't pay for an iPhone either, but I could get the Storm. All of your reasons as to why the iPhone isn't quite there yet for business are dead on, and you can add not allowing a removable battery to the list. Apple wants to change that though, so lets see what year 3 brings.
Since you were talking parallel universes, I want one where I don't have to type at all. I want to be able to talk, and have the phone take dictation! Yeah, it's just a dream now, but who knows for how long? Voice activation tech has come a long way in cars. I hated it in my 2004 TL because it was only about 60% accurate. In my 2009, it's improved by leaps & bounds, and I use it all the time now. Hearing it read the name of my contacts, emails & songs amazes me still. Hopefully, my dream isn't that far away.
Jump to the 1 minute mark of this video for a look of things to come.
The Storm is doing well ONLY because it's a RIM phone, and Blackberry fanatics are worse than Apple ones. Samsung has a better iPhone clone, but the Storm will continute to outsell it because RIM fanbois seem to honestly think it's a great phone (it's not) If Morotola had made the Storm, it wouldn't be selling well. RIM could make a phone that has one huge button and nothing else, and it would sell millions. I see idiots all the time with the new Curve, and 95% of them don't even use it for anything outside of phone calls and texts. I have used a Storm and found it to be horrible, the reviews of it for the most part don't like it much either. The G1 is a better phone, but it's not from RIM or Apple so people don't care. Both Apple & RIM are in a great position, they could put out basically anyt phone they wanted, and know it will sell like hot cakes
IMO the iPhone only trumps other smartphones because of the App Store. Without 2.0 OS it's a worthless piece of shit. Windows Mobile runs circles around this thing without the App Store. Even with the 2.0 OS features we're still lacking things left and right. The app store just makes up for the crap on this phone.
QueBert
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WinMo only has Cut & Paste in the professional version, and the majority of WinMo phones in America run the regular version. It has a HORRIBLE web browser, Pocket IE or whatever they call it is worthless. Media playback on them is a joke, the interface is laggy. And I had to wipe my Moto Q 4 times in 1 year due to it taking longer and longer to boot. And 2 of the times it just stopped working. I won't even get into how both my WinMo phones seemed to only Sync with ActiveSync about 75% of the time. Nothing more fun than pluggin your phone in only to have it say "unable to sync"
WinMo stock is one of the biggest POS's ever, and stock all my Moto Q did that my iPhone doesn't is voice dialing, which didn't even work too well. Without the App Store I'd still take an iPhone.
You've got to be kidding me. There are comparatively few non-touchscreen WinMo phones released in the USA.
It sounds like you bought some crappy WinMo phones, which isn't a shocker if one of them is from Moto. HTC has some very good ones... you should look into them.
IMHO, Windows Mobile is very under-rated. It could be a lot better, but, properly implemented with good hardware, it's a pretty reasonable OS.
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i have an omnia, but i played with both the iphone and storm a LOT before getting it. i havent had any probs getting apps for it, and most of the time the things people say are "musts" are already there. i dont hate the iphones, and i love ste4aling my kids itouch to play around with. the crackberrys we use at work have been outclassed by my omnia, and more people want to trade up to one now. mebbe i just never got deep enough into the storm to see the real benefits, but im ok with that. i didnt like the screen, the size or the blockiness of the storm. keyboard seemed slow, too. the iphone wassnt too bad tho, and the useless apps available were fun to mess with.
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