Next Gen iPhone
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Pliablemoose
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The tethering software is curious, the only way I can see them offering it is with a tiered service, another $30-50/moth for tethering.
thecoolnessrune
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This. And sorry, but data costs a crap-top as it is. As long as I got my work-around on my WM phone for tethering I would never get the iPhone. Tethering is much too important for me.
I'd like autofocus ... most of the other things, Voice/Video Recording/Tethering/iPhone Locater can all be done with the current phone.
What network are you on?
I was under the impression that you can get tethering working *now* on the iPhone (through jailbreaking), but that ATT would most likely see your excessive usage and get you in trouble. How would a WM phone "hide" the excessive usage? Now if you are on a diff carrier that does not care about tethering, that is a different case. I just don't see how people knock the iphone for not having tethering when it is a decision left completely up to the carrier.
zerocool84
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I have to admit, I was not a fan of the iphone when it came out, but Apple has done it right. Although none of those features are new and groundbreaking (except maybe the magnometer, cant say Ive seen a phone with that before) wrapping it all together in a easy to use package now with great 3rd party support almost makes me think about getting one if I could transfer all the parts into a WM case, dont want to be an iphone tool. Thats really one of the only reasons at this point I wouldnt own an iphone.
Funny, I said the same thing when I heard they were putting a 3 DoF accelerometer into the original iPhone. 
I mean 2DoF, sure, but why 3? Now I play all sorts of games that use it.
My guess for the compass is that they are using it to offset the definicies in their GPS. It's smaller/cheaper/easier than putting in a large GPS antenna. But that's just my guess.
One more rumor left out of the list above is:
32GB capacity (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10217858-37.html)
I mean 2DoF, sure, but why 3? Now I play all sorts of games that use it.My guess for the compass is that they are using it to offset the definicies in their GPS. It's smaller/cheaper/easier than putting in a large GPS antenna. But that's just my guess.
One more rumor left out of the list above is:
32GB capacity (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10217858-37.html)
herm0016
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magnetometer does not always mean compass... just measuring changes in magnetic field... a compass would be a novelty at best in this device. compass does not tell anything about position, just what way north is. I do not think you could even deduce what direction you are traveling in any better with it, only rate of change of direction and current orientation.
thecoolnessrune
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Im on Alltel and can use PDANet to safely browse and download without fear of being found out.
Thats not the biggest beef I have with the iPhone though. That would be storage. I can buy a 16GB Class 2 micro SDHC card for $40. If I want to double that, another 40. The iPhone is expensive enough for the base model let alone the ridiculous cost of getting one with more storage.
Thats not to say I just hate the thing. Indeed I bought an iTouch for my gf and got to play around with it for a few weeks. Best MP3 player by far that I've used and I miss it dearly. And touch typing still isn't nearly as nice on my Touch Pro as it is on the iTouch. But for me anyways the features themselves are not worth the pricetag and being locked in. I've customized the crap out of my Touch Pro and I enjoy having that sort of freedom.
boomhower
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There isn't any extra data to "hide". Just because you can tether without paying extra doesn't mean you need to torrent the first all 7 seasons of STNG. I tether using a couple different programs on my Diamond w/ sprint and keep it a reasonable ~3GB's a month. just don't try and use it as your main line and you will be fine. You need to be aware of what the connection and what it is/should be used for.
Right, but my point is that the iphone supports tethering, and indeed it works with jailbreaking. However, ATT does not allow it, so if you get caught you can get hit with whatever penalties they want.
It never ceases to amuse me how excited people get when the iphone gets some feature which users of other smartphones take for granted by that point.
QueBert
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Maybe because the iPhone does everything else it does almost perfectly? Sure it's lacking things, but what it has trumps other smartphones badly. So every time we get a new (old) feature, the iPhone is one step closer to perfection. And no phone to my knowledge has an
Magnetometer. I don't really know why we need this on a phone, but I'll find a way to make it useful
Originally posted by: QueBert
Maybe because the iPhone does everything else it does almost perfectly? Sure it's lacking things, but what it has trumps other smartphones badly. So every time we get a new (old) feature, the iPhone is one step closer to perfection. And no phone to my knowledge has an
Magnetometer. I don't really know why we need this on a phone, but I'll find a way to make it useful
What it has is a bunch of fluff features that appeal to the consumer's "fashion gadget" sense. For people who say "Wow, I can have a Facebook App!" when you can easily access FB via a browser, or those amused by games using the motion sensor, without realizing how retarded they look while swinging it like a Wii remote on the subway.
I prefer features that actually make it easier to do what I need, or allow more flexibility. Features like a real keyboard for typing emails, stereo bluetooth so I don't fuss around with headset wires, AF camera with flash and adjustable settings, copy & paste, and most importantly, the freedom to use my phone however I want, on whatever carrier I want, and install whatever app I want. In that regard, the iphone is completely useless to me.
I don't think the first paragraph is true at all. It doesn't have a bunch of fluff features that appeal as a fashion gadget. Like what? As I look over the icons for the alarm clock, the calendar, the maps, the weather, about the only thing that the default iPhone ships with that really matches a fluff feature is the youtube icon. Sure, there's plenty of downloadable fluff stuff, but the iPhone itself having a bunch of fluff features that appeal as fashion...? I don't see it. Virtually nothing that it comes with qualifies as a fluffy fashion features (aside from YouTube) beyond the fact that it's an iPhone which in and of itself makes it a bit of a fluffly fashion feature. As far pointless apps - there's a facebook app for the Blackberry, there's one for Windows Mobile, and there's one for Android.
As far as the second paragraph, I've had an iPhone for over 18 months and I bought it new and I never signed a contract and I've used on a half dozen carriers. It's presently showing "Plus GSM" as it's carrier. Fine, I had to hack it... but that took all of 10 minutes and using one of the 3 GUI's out there to unlock an iPhone shouldn't present a technical challenge to pretty much anyone on this forum. My icons are my own - I drew a bunch of them myself - and my iPhone screen is barely recognizable to anyone else with an iPhone after I added all the 3rd party apps off of Cydia to put in Winterboard and everything else I have running. I can put whatever app I want on the phone. And, yeah, it's hacked to do all this too - but that's not a challenge, and it's not a big deal. You could get an iPhone and do it too - anyone can. Then there's the other features - cut 'n paste, stereo bluetooth - those are coming in June. It's likely there'll be a video camera and an auto-focus camera coming in a few months too.
Somehow I'm thinking that even if it was easily available unlocked, and had everything you describe as shortcomings, that you still wouldn't be buying one, Munky. Maybe you'll tell me that I'm way out of line - and if so, I will honestly and sincerely apologize, but I believe the problem you have with them is the same problem that I see lots of others have with them. The real problem with iPhones are, in my opinion, the iPhone owners. Who - in general - are a smug group of happy evangelists who try to convert everyone they meet that they have the greatest communication device known to man - despite the fact that most of the features of their phone were available years ago, and despite the fact that there's a whole host of fundmental issues with the phone (lack of removeable battery, lack of removeable memory, expensive prices, not great battery life, no keyboard). It's like Prius owners - as a group they are generally a really annoying group of people to talk to, they love their cars and they want you to love them too... and if you point out that it looks like a shapeship and drives like a heavy brick, they don't want to hear it. I'm thinking that your problem - and the problem of a lot of people who don't like iPhones has a lot less to do with the device itself and it's capabilities, and a lot more to do with the company that makes it, the image that company projects and the people who buy their stuff and their attitudes towards their Apple gear.
Again, if you think I'm way off or out of line, I will post up a sincere apology.
Patrick Mahoney
that is ridiculous. You're afraid of what people will think of you because of the phone you're using? sheesh.
my biggest gripe w/ the iPhone is a keyboard. I just cannot use the onscreen one. And I have played with an iPod touch extensively. I can use it, it's just not worth the loss of a keyboard yet for me. 2nd thing is the data plan costs. Though, not sure if going to Sprint for the Pre will sacrifice signal... we'll see.
Actually, if the Palm Pre wasn't coming out, I would seriously rethink getting the iPhone. I am at a point where it would actually prove to be useful to have. I too would like to have the iphone stuck in the HTC Touch Pro 2. But not because it'd make me an "iphone tool" but simply I want a damn keyboard.
gorcorps
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Agreed. I've been pretty anti-apple but I have an iphone because it really is a slick device and a steal at $99 for a refurb. You can't get that diverse of a phone from any other company at that price... period. And I've been pleasantly surprised that the 3rd party apps (free or otherwise) are pretty badass.
uli2000: If you DON'T get an iphone because of what people may think, you're still falling into the same toolish trap the apple nuts do. That would be letting your image decide the devices for you. Whether or not you get an iphone isn't what makes you a tool, it's if you got one to look cool. Well you know what? NOT getting one to save face is the same exact thing toolbag. Get over yourself and get the best phone for you ignoring what other people may think.
You may be partially right about that. If the iphone fans didn't parade it as the greatest phone on earth, maybe I'd be more willing to overlook its shortcomings. But a lot of my friends are using the iphone, and got to play with it myself, so my opinions are based on real world experience. A lot of its unique features make it seem like a toy or a fashion accessory, rather than a tool to get something done.
For example - the touch screen UI. It seems like a cool idea, and works well if I use the phone as a toy for web browsing or watching pictures, but at the same time it makes typing emails a pain, and the lack of copy and paste doesn't help either. Other features it's missing, like voice commands, stereo BT, instant access to contacts, seem like something average Joe wouldn't know or care much about, but to a power user it matters.
Then there are features which are intentionally missing or locked out, like Java support and MMS messaging. True, these can be implemented via hacking and third party apps, but then why is the iphone priced in the same range as other phones which already have these features?
In the grand scheme of things, it's clear to me that everything about the iphone is geared towards maximizing its cash cow potential to Apple, rather than giving the users what they want. If it lacks expandable storage, Java support, stereo BT, and is by default locked to Apple-approved apps and carriers, its seems to me perfectly designed at drawing the consumer into a closed HW/SW platform, which can then be kept under control to milk the consumers for more money via apps and accessories. This concept of a controlled platform was previously implemented as the ipod+itunes combo, and now it continues as the iphone+app store combo. It is probably one of the bigger reasons I refuse to buy Apple products in general, not just the iphone.
QueBert
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I for one like the app store and the fact the apps on it have been put thru the ringer by Apple, I've never had more than a crash here or there. In contrast I had 2 apps on my Motorola Q (WinMo) that caused me to have to format my device because they locked it up beyond me fixing it. The majority of apps I have on my iPhone were... FREE. Apple is really "sticking it" to me by the free apps. The touch screen, like it or not is the future of smart phones. Every other phone manufacture has put out a device that's curiously like an iPhone - minus the cool shit. I parade my iPhone around, because while I don't think it's perfect, IMHO it is the greatest phone on earth. And yes, I have used those Nokia Nx phones, they have a nice camera - that was all I got from trying them. Apple is giving the update for FREE to iPhone people, it will add SMS, A2DP & cut & paste, so I'm not sure exactly how they're milking the consumer here. It sucks they made us wait, but it's free so there's no $$$ involved.
I use to be a cell phone junkie, I had the first color model in the US, I had the first with a built in camera. Over the years I've had probably 30 different phones, and the iPhone is my favorite, it's not even close. It is lacking voice commands, but on my Moto Q & my Blackberry voice commands SUCKED. Sometimes it would take me 5-6 tries to get my BB to understand "YES" and nothing better than saying "Call dave" and it saying "did you say "call mom" I wanted to throw it out the window, my experience with 3 phones that had it, fucking horrible. Not sure about you saying it doesn't have instant access to contacts. I press one button and they're up, how much more instant do you want it? It's not a perfect phone, but what it does do, it does the best. Safari on it makes Mobile IE or Pocket Opera look like 10 year old outdated crap. The Palm Pre MIGHT be a worthy competitor, but if it's not there won't be another phone coming close for a good long while.
typing on the keyboard isn't too bad, by far the best of any of the touch screen only phones I've used - Dare, Instinct, Voyager, Storm. a keyboard is easier, but I don't want a phone with any moving parts, and I want a screen as big as I can get. So I gladly chose the lack of a real KB and huge screen. I also love the fact my screen still looks almost untouched. After 3 days in my pocket my BB Pearl had a nice scratch 1/4 way across the screen from my keys. My iPhone screen has no signs of wear what so ever.
WM's app selection sucks, probably because MS is dumb and never tried to make a market for it. iTunes App store is freaking amazing, they're just about to hit their BILLIONTH app downloaded, that's insane. Windows Mobile has been around years longer than the iPhone yet I have a hard time finding what amounts to a fraction of the apps I can get on my iPhone. And with the exception of a very few ones, none are free. And a lot of the ones you can buy are retardly over priced. I wanted one for picture caller ID and it was $20 bucks! With WinMo 6.5 MS will be launching their own iTunes like App store, as has RIM, and Palm will for the Free. So if you don't like the app store concept, you're screwed as everyone will have it. Apples will always be the best though - biggest selection and good prices.
I've never bought an Apple product before this, but now I own an iPhone and an iPod Touch. And if the next Touch is an improvement I'll be picking one up.
Pretty good phone + best for playing media + every app I want = win.
I use to be a cell phone junkie, I had the first color model in the US, I had the first with a built in camera. Over the years I've had probably 30 different phones, and the iPhone is my favorite, it's not even close. It is lacking voice commands, but on my Moto Q & my Blackberry voice commands SUCKED. Sometimes it would take me 5-6 tries to get my BB to understand "YES" and nothing better than saying "Call dave" and it saying "did you say "call mom" I wanted to throw it out the window, my experience with 3 phones that had it, fucking horrible. Not sure about you saying it doesn't have instant access to contacts. I press one button and they're up, how much more instant do you want it? It's not a perfect phone, but what it does do, it does the best. Safari on it makes Mobile IE or Pocket Opera look like 10 year old outdated crap. The Palm Pre MIGHT be a worthy competitor, but if it's not there won't be another phone coming close for a good long while.
typing on the keyboard isn't too bad, by far the best of any of the touch screen only phones I've used - Dare, Instinct, Voyager, Storm. a keyboard is easier, but I don't want a phone with any moving parts, and I want a screen as big as I can get. So I gladly chose the lack of a real KB and huge screen. I also love the fact my screen still looks almost untouched. After 3 days in my pocket my BB Pearl had a nice scratch 1/4 way across the screen from my keys. My iPhone screen has no signs of wear what so ever.
WM's app selection sucks, probably because MS is dumb and never tried to make a market for it. iTunes App store is freaking amazing, they're just about to hit their BILLIONTH app downloaded, that's insane. Windows Mobile has been around years longer than the iPhone yet I have a hard time finding what amounts to a fraction of the apps I can get on my iPhone. And with the exception of a very few ones, none are free. And a lot of the ones you can buy are retardly over priced. I wanted one for picture caller ID and it was $20 bucks! With WinMo 6.5 MS will be launching their own iTunes like App store, as has RIM, and Palm will for the Free. So if you don't like the app store concept, you're screwed as everyone will have it. Apples will always be the best though - biggest selection and good prices.
I've never bought an Apple product before this, but now I own an iPhone and an iPod Touch. And if the next Touch is an improvement I'll be picking one up.
Pretty good phone + best for playing media + every app I want = win.
When I mentioned instant access to contacts, I wasn't referring to hitting the "contacts" button and then scrolling through 100 names. On a good phone I just hit a letter key, which instantly brings up a list of contacts whose first or last names begin with that letter, and then with 1 more button click I have the option of calling them or sending email/sms/mms.
As for touch screens, it's just a trend in giving the average Joe what he wants, or what he thinks he wants because his neighbor has one. Not much different than the trend in digital cameras to cram more megapixels and implement gimmicks like face detection, swivel screens and video recording, when a real photographer would rather have a faster lens and bigger sensor. But there will always be a market for users who want a real qwerty keypad.
As for touch screens, it's just a trend in giving the average Joe what he wants, or what he thinks he wants because his neighbor has one. Not much different than the trend in digital cameras to cram more megapixels and implement gimmicks like face detection, swivel screens and video recording, when a real photographer would rather have a faster lens and bigger sensor. But there will always be a market for users who want a real qwerty keypad.
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