Next gen console marketshare split?

psoomah

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I'm thinking Microsoft will have 50% or more of the next gen market, Sony somewhere around 30% and Nintendo pulling up the rear, my reasoning as follows:

Nintendo is wandering in the street with it's finger up it's nose. It's screen controller/wands will look hopelessly outdated vs. the Kinect 2. It's first party IP is tired, dated and over exposed.

Sony was standing there with it's pants around it's ankles when word got out how far along Microsoft was with an Xbox 720 2013 release and whatever they were working on for a 2015 or 2016 PS4 release (unlike Microsoft, Sony appeared to be serious about their avowed next gen release timeline) was tossed aside for a far timlier and less expensive 'semi-custom' AMD solution ala the Xbox 720. Giving Microsoft a one year lead might be unavoidable, giving them a two year lead is committing console hari kari and competing in a multi-billion market with only one other real competitor is a luxury Sony doesn't enjoy in any of their other divisions.

Charlie D is saying Microsoft is sourcing it's chip across three different foundries to make sure it makes a 2013 release and that it's a bit of a touch and go at that. If it's touch and go for Microsoft with their substantial planning lead and long time and deep collaboration with AMD, fabrication physics dictate it's probably impossible for Sony to make a 2013 launch. Which is likely the reason Charlie said flat out a couple days ago on S/A Microsoft will release in 2013 and Sony in 2014.

Kinect 2 is almost certain to read facial and finger movements and accurately track several players simultaneously enabling almost endless precision gaming control possibilites and have a much shorter minimum distance requirement. Record breaking Kinect sales were driven by mothers avid for a controller that couldn't be lost, stepped on, broken or fought over. And got little Johnny and Susie off the couch. A Kinect 2 requiring only a few feet to operate in with far more precise control will have a massive advantage over any other contoller type with mothers.

Hence a scenario of Microsoft releasing it's next gen console into an essentially competitor free market voracious for new hardware and games with advanced graphics, AI and controller potential opening up a massive lead in the next gen console race, establishing the Kinect 2 as an THE controller mechanism of choice and having an extensive ecosystem to support and interact with it. It's packaging and advertising is certain to display the metro interface which by fall of 2013 will be ubiquitous and associate the Xbox 720with Windows Phone, Tablets and PCs in consumers minds.

Cost wise Microsoft has already officially committed to the low down payment/Xbox gold subscription model for the 720. This will enable it to price the 720 far closer to hardware production costs and the subscription cost will be offset by most buyers no longer needing cable programming (or any other set top streaming service) as the services and programming Xbox live is bringing to the table will suffice for most. Makes it extremely easy to justify buying an Xbox needing only $99 down.

That's a stunning number of advantages Microsoft is bringing to the next gen wars in 2013.

Sony might still be saying publicly it's in no hurry to bring out a new console, but there's no way they're not scrambling desperately to come up with some way to stay competitive with Microsoft and release a console a.s.a.p.

What possible feature(s) could Sony promise to make it worthwhile to wait a year to keep people from just going with the Xbox?

Given that years head start I see Sony being a perennial and somewhat distant second and Nintendo a very distant third in the next gen console race.
 
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DaveSimmons

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Cost wise Microsoft has already officially committed to the low down payment/Xbox gold subscription model for the 720. This will enable it to price the 720 far closer to hardware production costs and the subscription cost will be offset by most buyers no longer needing cable programming (or any other set top streaming service) as the services and programming Xbox live is bringing to the table will suffice for most

Xbox Live Gold currently includes -0- free streaming, you have to pay the normal prices for Netflix, Amazon, and channels like HBO.

The $99-down Live version didn't include any extras last time I looked at it, it was just a way to finance your Xbox like buying a cell phone.

Do you think MS is going to try to raise the price of Live by $50-100 a month and give you cable channels including sports?
 
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mmntech

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It's hard to say really. We don't know what Microsoft and Sony are doing for the next gen. Nobody expected the Wii to take off like it did. I remember a year after launch and you still couldn't find them just sitting on a store shelf.

Microsoft played it fairly conservatively last generation. I think they might try more Kinect integration next time around. Sony, well, Sony needs new blood running their gaming division. The Fat PS3 might go down as one of the best consoles ever made, aside from the reliability issues. Software and pricing really killed them. I wish they had kept the original PS3 as a "platinum" model. The Slim sucks by comparison. Still, the PS3 is in a close third behind the 360.
 

DaveSimmons

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The Slim losing PS2 compatibility was a downgrade, especially since it took several years after that before they released HD remakes and Xbox-style software-based emulation for other games.

But the Slim was better overall -- it used less space, half the power, and was almost as quiet as a brand-new Fat. My Fat got much louder over time, while the Slim's noise has held steady.
 

exdeath

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Getting me one right away. Looking forward to Call of Duty HD, Halo HD, Gears of War HD, Wheel of Fortune HD, SpongeBob HD, Jeopardy HD, and Madden HD, and if we are lucking Hanna Montana HD!! For all three systems of course.
 

zerocool84

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The head start gave the Xbox a huge lead this generation. Sony didn't help itself the first two years though either. Like already said before, we don't know what Sony and Microsoft have in store except that Xbox Live will be pretty similar to what we have now since it's a huge cash cow for them. Sony will definitely change their online service though. I might pick up a WiiU six months after release. Wait and see how it's doing as I'm very bored with the current consoles.
 

jman19

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At this point I don't give a lick about any of the next gen systems. Console gaming has been stale for a while now. I'll likely go for a system when (if?) quality content is there.
 

mmntech

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The Slim losing PS2 compatibility was a downgrade, especially since it took several years after that before they released HD remakes and Xbox-style software-based emulation for other games.

But the Slim was better overall -- it used less space, half the power, and was almost as quiet as a brand-new Fat. My Fat got much louder over time, while the Slim's noise has held steady.

The problem with the fats is airflow is restricted at the top of the case, so the power supply cooks the bottom of the motherboard. I think that might be why the fan runs crazy, trying to cool something it can't even reach.

I'm still fiddling with my fat water cool mod using off the shelf all-in-one units. Still trying to figure out how I can mount them.
 

reallyscrued

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/lots of fud spewed out with no knowledge of corporate strategies, competitive advantages, or any experience in a business course.

Um, is this what you suspect happening or is this what you *wish* to see happen?
 

purbeast0

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if kinect 2 is the focus of the next xbox, i will most likely be passing on the console.
 

dagamer34

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Unlike previous console generations, these consoles really need to bring immense value on day one. Since a lot of people seem to be ok with paying $500+ each year for new tablets and $200+ for new phones (not everyone, but some people), it shouldn't be hard to get a lot of people to buy an Xbox 720, but many will wonder what they will do with it.

I strongly believe that Microsoft has to be working on a solution to solve the cable TV problem and basically make the Xbox "input 1". That's the only way for it to grab a huge audience that will seriously take Sony down a peg and absolutely decimate the WiiU. I mean the tagline writes itself: "The PS4 and WiiU are great for gaming, but the Xbox 720 does everything else"

If they pull that off, I see it being 50/30/20 for the Xbox 360, PS4, and WiiU respectively.
 

dagamer34

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The head start gave the Xbox a huge lead this generation. Sony didn't help itself the first two years though either. Like already said before, we don't know what Sony and Microsoft have in store except that Xbox Live will be pretty similar to what we have now since it's a huge cash cow for them. Sony will definitely change their online service though. I might pick up a WiiU six months after release. Wait and see how it's doing as I'm very bored with the current consoles.

As far back as the mid 80s, the early console has always won the generation (NES, Genesis, Playstation, Playstation 2, Xbox 360*). The question has always been when does a generation start (one of the pitfalls of the Dreamcast).

*I put the Xbox 360 over the Wii because sales pretty much show it was a fad that lasted 2-3 years and bombed afterwards.
 

zerocool84

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As far back as the mid 80s, the early console has always won the generation (NES, Genesis, Playstation, Playstation 2, Xbox 360*). The question has always been when does a generation start (one of the pitfalls of the Dreamcast).

*I put the Xbox 360 over the Wii because sales pretty much show it was a fad that lasted 2-3 years and bombed afterwards.

I thought the SNES did better than the Genesis and the Saturn failed?
 

Atty

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if kinect 2 is the focus of the next xbox, i will most likely be passing on the console.
The focus of the next Xbox will be all-in-one entertainment.

It'll be powerful enough to have the eye candy that people want from their video games. It will have TV, Netflix, Hulu, whatever other streaming programs that people watch, Xbox Music, and the list will go on. Microsoft will want it to be the only device you use to play video games and watch all forms of entertainment. Things like Kinect 2 will be focuses for the video game side, a feature to sell people on video games, same as smart glass. The main focus, however, will be all around entertainment.

That has been the obvious model they have been moving towards for years. Every iteration of the Xbox 360 dashboard has moved closer and closer to that idea.
 

reallyscrued

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You ruined my theory. =/

SNES - 49 million
Genesis - 37-41 million

Your theory had a lot of holes to begin with.

The Dreamcast was actually the first console of the Sixth Gen (PS2, Xbox, GCN) and it was not a winner by any measure.

The Fourth Generation (16 bit era) was also kicked off by the TurboGrafx-16 in 1987 and lost to the Genesis/Snes.

The Fifth gen (when CD based media got popular) started when the Panasonic 3DO, Atari Jaguar, and the Saturn were released in the early 90s, until the PS1 came through in '94 and dominated the scene. (Nintendo was admittedly late to this party).

Showing up first doesn't always mean you will win the fight.

If just releasing a console ahead of the competitors decided every outcome, you think these businesses would take so much time in doing what they do? The companies with a good understanding of their userbase and market are the ones that sell consoles today (Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, gotta hand it to them...although Microsoft kinda just seems to have an endless pool of capital) and filtered through all short-sighted companies who thought just having the latest technology means making a winner (Panasonic, NEC, Nokia, Atari, etc).

Right place at the right time makes you a winner.
 

jman19

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The focus of the next Xbox will be all-in-one entertainment.

It'll be powerful enough to have the eye candy that people want from their video games. It will have TV, Netflix, Hulu, whatever other streaming programs that people watch, Xbox Music, and the list will go on. Microsoft will want it to be the only device you use to play video games and watch all forms of entertainment. Things like Kinect 2 will be focuses for the video game side, a feature to sell people on video games, same as smart glass. The main focus, however, will be all around entertainment.

That has been the obvious model they have been moving towards for years. Every iteration of the Xbox 360 dashboard has moved closer and closer to that idea.

All that stuff you mentioned, saved TV, is already in this generation. I used to use my PS3 for Netflix / Hulu... but I have a smart TV and just use that instead. Better than dealing with another device and remote.