Newt Gingrich LOVES Zoos

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Lemon law

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone liking and enjoying Zoo's, and the one at San Diego is really awesome.

As I finally find the very first interest Newt and I share in common.

As for the rest of Newt's views, they are most in let the buyer beware category.

But then again, there is another possible viewpoint because Newt is like the weather, wait an hour or so, and it can totally change. And by tomorrow, what Newt said yesterday is ancient history.
 

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Animal Kingdom in Orlando was meh, but I did not get to go on the safari due to the ridiculous queue, so that could have made it.
 

chris9641

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with anyone liking and enjoying Zoo's, and the one at San Diego is really awesome.

As I finally find the very first interest Newt and I share in common.

As for the rest of Newt's views, they are most in let the buyer beware category.

But then again, there is another possible viewpoint because Newt is like the weather, wait an hour or so, and it can totally change. And by tomorrow, what Newt said yesterday is ancient history.

Not disagreeing with you but playing devils advocate, how do you feel when you see a savage, wild creature like a tiger being fed slabs of meat instead of prowling grasslands hunting for food?
 

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I used to like zoos when I was little. Now I find them dull. I prefer to see animals in the wild. Not for ethical reasons, just a preference. Animals in cages or captivity is boring. Sorry Newt, this doesn't help you win my vote.
 

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I used to like zoos when I was little. Now I find them dull. I prefer to see animals in the wild. Not for ethical reasons, just a preference. Animals in cages or captivity is boring. Sorry Newt, this doesn't help you win my vote.

Yeah but shit.. most of the animals worth seeing at the zoo are native to Africa which seems like a huge risk to travel to(disease/being mauled by a lion etc.). Nat Geo HD is close enough without the guilt of going to a zoo or the risk of dieing in the savannah :p. As for Newt...meh I don't see any importance of this relating to his bid for POTUS.
 

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Yeah but shit.. most of the animals worth seeing at the zoo are native to Africa which seems like a huge risk to travel to(disease/being mauled by a lion etc.). Nat Geo HD is close enough without the guilt of going to a zoo or the risk of dieing in the savannah :p. As for Newt...meh I don't see any importance of this relating to his bid for POTUS.

Yeah, true about the animals in Africa.. maybe one day I will get over there to see some of them :D

As far as Newt goes, I would never consider voting for him anyway, so it is a "mewt" point.
^^^That was horrible, and I apologize for it.
 

Lemon law

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Not disagreeing with you but playing devils advocate, how do you feel when you see a savage, wild creature like a tiger being fed slabs of meat instead of prowling grasslands hunting for food?
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Your response is somewhat similar to my father's when he moved to Southern California. And pointed out Californians stored their snow on mountains and not local side walks. After rain in the lower elevations does not require shoveling. And if my dad ever got nostalgic for snow, he could drive 50 miles and go visit it.

But still chris9461, you make a valid point, we do rob a lion of its natural environment for only our viewing pleasure. And we can now find endless films of lions in their natural environment we can view in our living rooms. But still you miss two points, (1) As many wild animals are in danger of becoming extinct due to mankind's incursions into their natural habitat, zoo can protect the species for possible reintroduction back into the wild. (2) Or we can talk about the poorly managed game farm in Ohio, where the dying owner recently released various extremely dangerous wild animals into an a populated Ohio. And poorly prepared police had little choice but kill most of them. I don't know about you Chris, but I don't want a hungry lion loose in my neighborhood.
 

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Your response is somewhat similar to my father's when he moved to Southern California. And pointed out Californians stored their snow on mountains and not local side walks. After rain in the lower elevations does not require shoveling. And if my dad ever got nostalgic for snow, he could drive 50 miles and go visit it.

But still chris9461, you make a valid point, we do rob a lion of its natural environment for only our viewing pleasure. And we can now find endless films of lions in their natural environment we can view in our living rooms. But still you miss two points, (1) As many wild animals are in danger of becoming extinct due to mankind's incursions into their natural habitat, zoo can protect the species for possible reintroduction back into the wild. (2) Or we can talk about the poorly managed game farm in Ohio, where the dying owner recently released various extremely dangerous wild animals into an a populated Ohio. And poorly prepared police had little choice but kill most of them. I don't know about you Chris, but I don't want a hungry lion loose in my neighborhood.

Can't argue with any of those points, it almost seems inevitable that most predators on this planet will be wiped out with the ever growing human population. Like you said no one wants a hungry beast like a lion on the loose(just imagine what it's like for say people in the Congo where humans are part of the food chain). If it comes down to the survival of a human family encroaching on an endangered species land for that family to survive, it's impossible for me to ever choose against team human.
Brings up a tough decision whether the survival of a species in a controlled environment like a zoo is better then the liberation of that individual creature. From a human perspective I would rather be dead then live confined like the chimps at zoos. Unfortunately we can't ask the animals.
 

Lemon law

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I agree with chris9461, but then we forget to ask another question that is more domestic to the USA. As we lose that natural predictors of various species, deer and rat population explode, Bambi may be cute, but not when Bambi decides to commit suicide by running into your car, and rats are never popular.

Every time us Humans mess with the environment, we get all kinds of unintended adverse consequences I have not even scratched the surface of. Dare we hope that we will have new pesticide resistant weeds and antibiotic resident diseases as they march around the planet. Maybe I missed it, as its already happening.

But getting back to Newt, is almost slam dunk certain that he will come out for cutting back US funding for zoos.
 
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