'Newsweek' Says Armitage Was Plame Source for Both Novak and Woodward

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Starbuck1975

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I don't buy that excuse for the White House behavior. They didn't have to spin at all. My guess is that they were up to something it's just Armitage's loose lips were coincidental.
I think a more reasonable interpretation is that Armitage's loose lips may have been accidental, but he chose not to come forward once the Bush Administration started taking fire for the controversy.

Cheney's office found themselves on the defense for a controversy they did not create...they had to respond, but did not know the whole truth...hence the spinning, lies and overall stupidity surrounding the case.

As for Armitage's motivations...perhaps he enjoyed watching the Bush Administration squirm a bit...as others have stated, he is no fan of the NeoCons.

Putting on my tin foil hat for a second, the reverse conspiracy theory is that Armitage knowingly leaked Plame's identify as an attempt to smear the Bush Administration...I don't even buy my own theory, but its no less "out there" then some of the crying from the rafters we had in this forum when this scandal broke.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: alchemize
It follows that one of the most sensational charges leveled against the Bush White House -- that it orchestrated the leak of Ms. Plame's identity to ruin her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson -- is untrue. The partisan clamor that followed the raising of that allegation by Mr. Wilson in the summer of 2003 led to the appointment of a special prosecutor, a costly and prolonged investigation, and the indictment of Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, on charges of perjury. All of that might have been avoided had Mr. Armitage's identity been known three years ago.

bolded for clarity. all the teeth knashers have nothing now. No claims. It's over, it's done. The white house and administration did nothing but do the right thing.

:thumbsup:
 

rhatsaruck

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: alchemize
It follows that one of the most sensational charges leveled against the Bush White House -- that it orchestrated the leak of Ms. Plame's identity to ruin her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson -- is untrue. The partisan clamor that followed the raising of that allegation by Mr. Wilson in the summer of 2003 led to the appointment of a special prosecutor, a costly and prolonged investigation, and the indictment of Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, on charges of perjury. All of that might have been avoided had Mr. Armitage's identity been known three years ago.
bolded for clarity. all the teeth knashers have nothing now. No claims. It's over, it's done. The white house and administration did nothing but do the right thing.
:thumbsup:
You are completely missing the point. Special Counsel Fitzgerald has known about Armitage from the get-go. In spite of this Fitzgerald has chosen to bring charges against Libby.

Over? ROFL. This shindig hasn't even started.
 

straightalker

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It was Bob Woodward, the long time Office of Naval Intelligience operative who is occupying a position as a fake news reporter at the Washington Post who outed Plame. They do that to a whiteside CIA agent before they assassinate them. Fortunately for Valerie the media attention is protecting her.

During Watergate, Woodward made sure Carl Bernstein never strayed into the sensitive areas like the assassination of JFK, which was a very major operation involving many players who are still to this day very active in USA politics.
 

alchemize

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Sh1T! Straightalker is onto my double secret agent status! Oh well, I'll use the double-secret illiumunati method of making fun of him to cover my status.

When do I get my paycheck?
 

alchemize

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So anyhow...549 threads on Plame and this one is going to slide down the page huh? No Frog-March of Rove = not interested? Must be the holiday weekend :D
 

DickFnTracy

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Originally posted by: alchemize
So anyhow...549 threads on Plame and this one is going to slide down the page huh? No Frog-March of Rove = not interested? Must be the holiday weekend :D


People dissapear pretty quickly when what they've been yelling about for years turns out to be dead wrong. I hear it's quite embarrassing.
 
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Originally posted by: DickFnTracy
Originally posted by: alchemize
So anyhow...549 threads on Plame and this one is going to slide down the page huh? No Frog-March of Rove = not interested? Must be the holiday weekend :D


People dissapear pretty quickly when what they've been yelling about for years turns out to be dead wrong. I hear it's quite embarrassing.
Apparently so. Harvey is particularly silent on this now... :D

BUT IT GETS BETTER!!!
Fitz knew from day 1 that Armitage was the source!
He knew and early on dcided not to charge Armitage. So I'll ask the question AGAIN... Why did Fitz see fit to drag this out over the course of two years when he knew no crime had taken place and he had no intentions of charging anyone?

September 2, 2006
New Questions About Inquiry in C.I.A. Leak
By DAVID JOHNSTON
WASHINGTON, Sept. 1 ? An enduring mystery of the C.I.A. leak case has been solved in recent days, but with a new twist: Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the prosecutor, knew the identity of the leaker from his very first day in the special counsel?s chair, but kept the inquiry open for nearly two more years before indicting I. Lewis Libby Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney?s former chief of staff, on obstruction charges.

Now, the question of whether Mr. Fitzgerald properly exercised his prosecutorial discretion in continuing to pursue possible wrongdoing in the case has become the subject of rich debate on editorial pages and in legal and political circles.

Richard L. Armitage, the former deputy secretary of state, first told the authorities in October 2003 that he had been the primary source for the July 14, 2003, column by Robert D. Novak that identified Valerie Wilson as a C.I.A. operative and set off the leak investigation.

Mr. Fitzgerald?s decision to prolong the inquiry once he took over as special prosecutor in December 2003 had significant political and legal consequences. The inquiry seriously embarrassed and distracted the Bush White House for nearly two years and resulted in five felony charges against Mr. Libby, even as Mr. Fitzgerald decided not to charge Mr. Armitage or anyone else with crimes related to the leak itself.

Moreover, Mr. Fitzgerald?s effort to find out who besides Mr. Armitage had spoken to reporters provoked a fierce battle over whether reporters could withhold the identities of their sources from prosecutors and resulted in one reporter, Judith Miller, then of The New York Times, spending 85 days in jail before agreeing to testify to a grand jury.

Since this week?s disclosures about Mr. Armitage?s role, Bush administration officials have argued that because the original leak came from a State Department official, it was clear there had been no concerted White House effort to disclose Ms. Wilson?s identity.

But Mr. Fitzgerald?s defenders point out that the revelation about Mr. Armitage did not rule out a White House effort because officials like Mr. Libby and Karl Rove, the senior white House adviser, had spoken about Ms. Wilson with other journalists. Even so, the Fitzgerald critics say, the prosecutor behaved much as did the independent counsels of the 1980?s and 1990?s who often failed to bring down their quarry on official misconduct charges but pursued highly nuanced accusations of a cover-up.

Mr. Armitage cooperated voluntarily in the case, never hired a lawyer and testified several times to the grand jury, according to people who are familiar with his role and actions in the case. He turned over his calendars, datebooks and even his wife?s computer in the course of the inquiry, those associates said. But Mr. Armitage kept his actions secret, not even telling President Bush because the prosecutor asked him not to divulge it, the people said.

Mr. Armitage has not publicly commented on the matter. The people who spoke about Mr. Armitage?s thoughts and action did so seeking anonymity on the grounds that the criminal case was still open and that their remarks were not authorized by the prosecutor. A spokesman for Mr. Fitzgerald declined to comment.

Mr. Fitzgerald, who has spoken infrequently in public, came close to providing a defense for his actions at a news conference in October 2005, when Mr. Libby was indicted. Mr. Fitzgerald said that apart from the issue of whether any crime had been committed, the justice system depended on the ability of prosecutors to obtain truthful information from witnesses during any investigation.

The information about Mr. Armitage?s role may help Mr. Libby convince a jury that his actions were relatively inconsequential, because even Mr. Armitage, not regarded as an ally of Mr. Cheney, was talking to journalists about Ms. Wilson?s role.

But the trial, scheduled for early next year, may be focused on the narrow questions of whether Mr. Libby?s accounts to the grand jury and the F.B.I. were true. Judge Reggie M. Walton of Federal District Court, who is presiding, has resisted efforts by Mr. Libby?s lawyers to give the case a wider political scope.

Mr. Fitzgerald may also point out that Mr. Armitage knew about Ms. Wilson?s C.I.A. role only because of a memorandum that Mr. Libby had commissioned as part of an effort to rebut criticism of the White House by her husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Mr. Fitzgerald was named as a special counsel to investigate whether the leaking of Ms. Wilson?s identity as a C.I.A. officer was part of an administration effort to violate the law prohibiting the willful disclosure of undercover employees.

Some administration critics asserted that her identity had been disclosed in the Novak column as part of a campaign to undermine her husband. Mr. Wilson was sent by the C.I.A. in 2002 to Africa to investigate whether the Iraqi government had obtained uranium ore for its nuclear weapons program.

On July 6, 2003, a week before the Novak column, Mr. Wilson wrote a commentary in The New York Times saying his investigation in Africa had led him to believe that it was highly doubtful that any uranium deal had ever taken place and that the Bush administration had twisted intelligence to justify the Iraq war.

Mr. Armitage spoke with Mr. Novak on July 8, 2003, those familiar with Mr. Armitage?s actions said. Mr. Armitage did not know Mr. Novak, but agreed to meet with the columnist as a favor for a mutual friend, Kenneth M. Duberstein, a White House chief of staff during Ronald Reagan?s administration. At the conclusion of a general foreign policy discussion, Mr. Armitage said in reply to a question that Ms. Wilson might have had a role in arranging her husband?s trip to Niger.

At the time of the offhand conversation about the Niger trip, Mr. Armitage was not aware of Ms. Wilson?s undercover status, those familiar with his actions said. The mention of Ms. Wilson was brief. Mr. Armitage did not believe he used her name, those aware of his actions said.

Whoozyer: This would the part that led Novak to look up Wilson in the "Who's Who" guide?

On Oct. 1, 2003, Mr. Armitage was up at 4 a.m. for a predawn workout when he read a second article by Mr. Novak in which he described his primary source for his earlier column about Ms. Wilson as ?no partisan gunslinger.? Mr. Armitage realized with alarm that that could only be a reference to him, according to people familiar with his role. He waited until Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, an old friend, was awake, then telephoned him. They discussed the matter with the top State Department lawyer, William H. Taft IV.

Mr. Armitage had prepared a resignation letter, his associates said. But he stayed on the job because State Department officials advised that his sudden departure could lead to the disclosure of his role in the leak, the people aware of his actions said.

Later, Mr. Taft spoke with the White House counsel, Alberto R. Gonzales, now the attorney general, and advised him that Mr. Armitage was going to speak with lawyers at the Justice Department about the matter, the people familiar with Mr. Armitage?s actions said. Mr. Taft asked Mr. Gonzales whether he wanted to be told the details and was told that he did not want to know.

One day later, Justice Department investigators interviewed Mr. Armitage at his office. He resigned in November 2004, but remained a subject of the inquiry until this February when the prosecutor advised him in a letter that he would not be charged.

But Mr. Fitzgerald did obtain the indictment of Mr. Libby on charges that he had untruthfully testified to a grand jury and federal agents when he said he learned about Ms. Wilson?s role at the C.I.A. from reporters rather than from several officials, including Mr. Cheney.

Mr. Libby has pleaded not guilty to all the charges and his lawyers have signaled he will mount a defense based on the notion that he did not willfully lie.



 

straightalker

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Armitage is being pushed into the role of fall guy as the Plame leaker only because Bush can very easily pardon him later.

The whore news source called the Washington Post, home of Intel Agent Bob Woodward, the real Plame leaker, will play this affair like a fiddle. Don't believe a single word ever from the Washington Post without sorting it out very carefully first to screen out the perception control.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: straightalker
Armitage is being pushed into the role of fall guy as the Plame leaker only because Bush can very easily pardon him later.

The whore news source called the Washington Post, owned by Reverand Moon and home of Intel Agent Bob Woodward, the real Plame leaker, will play this affair like a fiddle. Don't believe a single word ever from the Washington Post without sorting it out very carefully first to screen out the perception control.

LOL you fricken moron. Moon owns the Washington Times.
 
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Originally posted by: straightalker
Armitage is being pushed into the role of fall guy as the Plame leaker only because Bush can very easily pardon him later.

The whore news source called the Washington Post, owned by Reverand Moon and home of Intel Agent Bob Woodward, the real Plame leaker, will play this affair like a fiddle. Don't believe a single word ever from the Washington Post without sorting it out very carefully first to screen out the perception control.

Are you for real? What's more, did you even read the link? Bush doesn't have to pardon Armitage, he isn't being charged with anything. It sounds like you're trying to rewrite the link into something that requires a conspiracy. Sorry dude. No tin foil required here. It's just a case of a hack prosecutor playing politics. Nothing more, nothing less.

Edit: LOL @ alchemize. I totally missed that. :p
 

straightalker

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There that's corrected. Funny how Google can misquote that too around 200 times. Peaple are always confusing the Washington Times with the Washington Post.

Moles will try to make all the hay they can out of any simple word errors.

Oh and not that i'm playing the game of being manipulated to play a defensive position, They're both scum in any case. One dopes up our gradeschool kids while the other whores as a so-called newspaper reporter. Speaking about the actual subject of this thread.

About the other two you know what's. Anyone else pick up those two trolls following you around?
 

ProfJohn

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This whole Plame afair is a big waste of time and money, although it does keep the democrats focused on a non-event.

1.No one is saying that the "outing" of Plame was an actual crime. She was not and had not been under cover for over two years when the story surfaced. I believe the law states that someone has to have been under cover during that time for the naming of them to be a crime. The only charges created so far are for perjury and obstruction of justice. Which are the same things Bill Clinton was impeached for.

2. Apparently Fitzgerald knew all along that Armitage was the original source of the Plame information, yet Fitzgerald has spent all this time and effort going after Rove and Libby, if this isn't the definition of a "fishing expedition" I don't know what is.

I have have no doubt that in Janurary of 2009 as Bush is getting ready to leave office he will pardon anyone involved with this whole mess. It would certainly fit within the historical relm of presidents pardoning people for things they did while in service to the president, ala Iran Contra.
 
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This whole Plame afair is a big waste of time and money, although it does keep the democrats focused on a non-event.

1.No one is saying that the "outing" of Plame was an actual crime. She was not and had not been under cover for over two years when the story surfaced. I believe the law states that someone has to have been under cover during that time for the naming of them to be a crime. The only charges created so far are for perjury and obstruction of justice. Which are the same things Bill Clinton was impeached for.

2. Apparently Fitzgerald knew all along that Armitage was the original source of the Plame information, yet Fitzgerald has spent all this time and effort going after Rove and Libby, if this isn't the definition of a "fishing expedition" I don't know what is.

I have have no doubt that in Janurary of 2009 as Bush is getting ready to leave office he will pardon anyone involved with this whole mess. It would certainly fit within the historical relm of presidents pardoning people for things they did while in service to the president, ala Iran Contra.

Umm... The way things look right now he won't have to pardon anyone. My guess is Libby will be acquited after all of this. Nobody else has even been charged. So, no pardon conpiracy either.
 

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Armitage On CIA Leak: 'I Screwed Up'


(CBS) In an exclusive interview with CBS News national security correspondent David Martin, Richard Armitage, once the No. 2 diplomat at the State Department, couldn't be any blunter.

"Oh I feel terrible. Every day, I think I let down the president. I let down the Secretary of State. I let down my department, my family and I also let down Mr. and Mrs. Wilson," he says.

When asked if he feels he owes the Wilsons an apology, he says, "I think I've just done it."

In July 2003, Armitage told columnist Robert Novak that Ambassador Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, and Novak mentioned it in a column. It's a crime to knowingly reveal the identity of an undercover CIA officer. But Armitage didn't yet realize what he had done.

So, what exactly did he tell Novak?

"At the end of a wide-ranging interview he asked me, 'Why did the CIA send Ambassador (Wilson) to Africa?' I said I didn't know, but that she worked out at the agency," Armitage says.

Armitage says he told Novak because it was "just an offhand question." "I didn't put any big import on it and I just answered and it was the last question we had," he says.

Armitage adds that while the document was classified, "it doesn't mean that every sentence in the document is classified.

"I had never seen a covered agent's name in any memo in, I think, 28 years of government," he says.

He adds that he thinks he referred to Wilson's wife as such, or possibly as "Mrs. Wilson." He never referred to her as Valerie Plame, he adds.

"I didn't know the woman's name was Plame. I didn't know she was an operative," he says.

He says he was reading Novak's newspaper column again, on Oct. 1, 2003, and "he said he was told by a non-partisan gun slinger."

"I almost immediately called Secretary Powell and said, 'I'm sure that was me,'" Armitage says.

Armitage immediately met with FBI agents investigating the leak.

"I told them that I was the inadvertent leak," Armitage says. He didn't get a lawyer, however.

"First of all, I felt so terrible about what I'd done that I felt I deserved whatever was coming to me. And secondarily, I didn't need an attorney to tell me to tell the truth. I as already doing that," Armitage explains. "I was not intentionally outing anybody. As I say, I have tremendous respect for Ambassador. Wilson's African credentials. I didn't know anything about his wife and made an offhand comment. I didn't try to out anybody."

That was nearly three years ago, but the political firestorm over who leaked Valerie Plame's identity continued to burn as Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald began hauling White House officials and journalists before a grand jury.

Armitage says he didn't come forward because "the special counsel, once he was appointed, asked me not to discuss this and I honored his request."

"I thought every day about how I'd screwed up," he adds.

Armitage never did tell the president, but he's talking now because Fitzgerald told him he could.
 

her209

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Novak in his original column said he had two sources.

1. Armitage
2. ?
 

jlmadyson

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Originally posted by: her209
Novak in his original column said he had two sources.

1. Armitage
2. ?

Bill Harlow former Spokesman of the CIA.

/Q more conspiracy theories now
 

Corn

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LOL (or should I say: BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! as a tribute to Conjob) , this should stay up at the top for a while. Where's Harvey, Conjob, and BOBD....errrrr, I mean BBond anyway? This issue was of the upmost in importance to those funnay fellas. What kind of punishment do you think they will be happy with regarding this act of treason!!!
 

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Mr Cocaine is just the fallguy for another exposure of another scam done by the hired syndicate that's been in charge of the USA since 2000.

I'll admit, it's a convoluted story that's been difficult to sort out. Primarily due to the many Fitzgerald investigations slowly turning and showing their true colors. As just another Jesuit run phony prosecutors sham investigations. Yes Fitzgerald is a Jesuit. The Satanists who sacrifice kids in the catacombs under Vatican City and who now control the Catholic Church. Effect? Gather up all the seperate Grand Jury investigations under one roof "Fitzgerald's Acme Crime Disposal Company" and slowly let the truth bleed out of all of them then dump them as rotted bled out carcasses. The ritual sacrifice of justice in America.

"I screwed up" is actually immature nonsense. Sounds like a kid busted for skipping school. When in fact the entire Plame reality involves assassins, murdered CIA Agents and the informants they handled, treason and the exposure of the lies that were used to back the current hired Syndicate's invasion of Iraq.