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Newsmax: Christie Whitman's Boneheaded Advice

BBond

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Christie is no favorite of mine. Her policies as governor of NJ and her embarassing tenure at the EPA are the reasons why.

One example: As head of the EPA she allowed herself to be pressured by the White House into prematurely telling the heros who worked at Ground Zero and the residents of Lower Manhattan that the air quality was safe. The resulting (largely unreported) epidemic of respiratory ailments among workers and residents is the result of the radical wing of the Republican Party enforcing their version of events over facts. Another example: Iraq.

A good way of measureming just how far off the right edge the Republican Party has gone is when Christine Todd Whitman looks centrist.

Bon Appetit! :wine:

Christie Whitman's Boneheaded Advice

Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2005 7:20 a.m. EST

NewsMax.com's Fr. Michael Reilly explains why Christie Todd Whitman and the Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party just don't get it.

While defeated Democrats struggle to come to grips with the fact that their party is out of touch with basic American values, Rockefeller Republican Christie Todd Whitman has a different problem.

The GOP has been wildly successful in the last two national elections, but Whitman complains in her soon-to-be released memoir, "It's My Party, Too: The Battle for the Heart of the GOP and the Future of America," that the party has been taken over by zealous "social fundamentalists."

While Whitman's book won't be released on January 27, the product description on Amazon.com is disturbing.

"Relentlessly pushing their ideological stances on abortion rights, race relations, the environment, tax policy, and go-it-alone foreign policy, the conservative extremists are not only violating traditional Republican principles, she argues, but are also holding the party back from achieving a true majority.

"By playing so slavishly to the far-right base, running negative campaigns and marginalizing women, the party has forsaken the much broader base that propelled the 'Reagan revolution' and has fueled the country's overheated polarization."

Evidently Whitman wrote the book before Nov. 2. when President Bush won a solid re-election bid despite relentless media opposition. What's more, the GOP gained seats in both the House and the Senate.

But Republican majorities in the House and Senate apparently don't qualify as a "true majority" in Whitman's book.

Maybe no one told the former Bush EPA chief that "moral values" was the top voting issue for 22 percent of all voters. Perhaps she was unaware of the pre-election Gallup polling which indicated that 25 percent of Bush supporters are single issue pro-life voters.

Gallup also noted that they found similar results in both the 2000 and 1984 presidential elections.

Then again, maybe Whitman missed the Zogby polling in 2002, which indicated that the pro-life position was responsible for victories in several key Senate races - resulting in an unprecedented midterm election victory for the Republicans.

In last year's election, two-thirds of Americans supported initiatives in eleven states to prohibit gay marriage. Are these the folks Whitman dismisses as "social fundamentalists?"

And how does she propose that Republicans make up for the 25 percent of Bush supporters who describe themselves as single?issue pro-life voters?

It is also very interesting that Whitman presumes to lecture the party of Lincoln about race relations, especially after the infamous photograph of her smiling for the cameras as she frisked a black man while touring with the New Jersey State Police. She really advanced the cause of race relations with that maneuver!

Maybe Republicans like Christie Todd Whitman will save the Democrats from their "values gap" problem after all.

 
Me thinks Christie protest too much. Perhaps she should realize that she is out of step with the party and not the other way around. Seems to me that a majority of the country likes what Republicans are doing.
 
Hmm..now that the Neocons have successfully gained control of the Republican Party a purge may now be in order.
The Dub "Either yer with us or against us"
 
People like her, McCain, Ah-nuld, and others perform a valuable function in the R party and is one reason the Right is in the powerful position it finds itself. Good for her.

That said, I'm sure the desperate Left will look at this entirely differently... whatever it takes to spin news into political ammo.
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
People like her, McCain, Ah-nuld, and others perform a valuable function in the R party and is one reason the Right is in the powerful position it finds itself. Good for her.

That said, I'm sure the desperate Left will look at this entirely differently... whatever it takes to spin news into political ammo.

Uh...we desperate lefties don't need to spin this. :laugh:

It's your own gal's take on the ridiculous right. 😉

While Whitman's book won't be released on January 27, the product description on Amazon.com is disturbing.

"Relentlessly pushing their ideological stances on abortion rights, race relations, the environment, tax policy, and go-it-alone foreign policy, the conservative extremists are not only violating traditional Republican principles, she argues, but are also holding the party back from achieving a true majority.

"By playing so slavishly to the far-right base, running negative campaigns and marginalizing women, the party has forsaken the much broader base that propelled the 'Reagan revolution' and has fueled the country's overheated polarization."

LMAO...Christie, load me up with more of that political ammo. Super-size it. And hold the spin.

 
"defeated Democrats struggle to come to grips"




Heh heh.

Yes, as evidenced by the initial post and the subsequent replies in this thread....


Priceless
 
Originally posted by: Ozoned
"defeated Democrats struggle to come to grips"




Heh heh.

Yes, as evidenced by the initial post and the subsequent replies in this thread....


Priceless

"By playing so slavishly to the far-right base, running negative campaigns and marginalizing women, the party has forsaken the much broader base that propelled the 'Reagan revolution' and has fueled the country's overheated polarization."


Heh heh.

Worthless

 
At least we should give her credit for speaking out against what is happening. I was no fan of her as governor and given the environmental policies in NJ under her admin I couldn't believe she was chosen as head of the EPA. I guess once insode the admin she saw what was going and and she was 'pushed' out (actually resigned) for opposing some of the damaging policies of this admin. Maybe she has finally seen the light and is no longer brainwashed.



 
I liked her a governor... but once upon a time, there was a lot of talk about her running for a national office. all that is pretty much out the window by now.
 
LMAO...Christie, load me up with more of that political ammo. Super-size it. And hold the spin.

Yeah, wow..."Look, a Republican questioning other Reps, ooooooh, ahhhhhhh!" :roll:

On a normal day this happens on both sides countless times. But like I said, I guess when you're desperate, we can draw it out and try and pound our ideological hammer as if it actually means anything worthwhile. When people publicly air their wet dreams, I wish they'd try selecting an article that actually proves a point! 😛
 
Whitman definitely has a valid point, but it seems unlikely that the Repub leadership will pay any attention. They're currently drunk on power, which will likely be their undoing.

Somehow, someway that I don't personally understand, Bush has a certain charisma that leads people to trust him, even when demonstrably lying... which has been a large part of current repub success. That, and the relentless Texas Slime Machine...

What happens when he's out of the picture?
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Geardo
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's time for Democrats to go for moderate Republican congress seats. There is no room for moderates in GOP.


Bush is a moderate!

Words just cannot describe the spit-take I just had.

It's true. War aside, Bush is hardly a die-hard conservative. Sorry.
 
Originally posted by: Geardo
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's time for Democrats to go for moderate Republican congress seats. There is no room for moderates in GOP.


Bush is a moderate!


I think the scary truth is you may be right.

Scary in that if Bush is a middle of the road Republican, what kind of people are in the far right wing now ?



 
Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Geardo
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's time for Democrats to go for moderate Republican congress seats. There is no room for moderates in GOP.


Bush is a moderate!


I think the scary truth is you may be right.

Scary in that if Bush is a middle of the road Republican, what kind of people are in the far right wing now ?

I think a better question would be: "What kind of people are in the far wings of both the left and right?"

Of course, you would have to think beyond your party bias to consider such a question 😉
 
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Geardo
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's time for Democrats to go for moderate Republican congress seats. There is no room for moderates in GOP.
Bush is a moderate!
I think the scary truth is you may be right.

Scary in that if Bush is a middle of the road Republican, what kind of people are in the far right wing now ?
I think a better question would be: "What kind of people are in the far wings of both the left and right?"

Of course, you would have to think beyond your party bias to consider such a question 😉
Who's the furthest on the left? Ted Kennedy? His time is short. I think the Deaniacs are the most vocal in the Democratic party right now.

The right-wing, however, has Bush in the middle. That's how far the right-wing has shifted.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Who's the furthest on the left? Ted Kennedy? His time is short. I think the Deaniacs are the most vocal in the Democratic party right now.

The right-wing, however, has Bush in the middle. That's how far the right-wing has shifted.

Keep telling yourself that.
 
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: conjur
Who's the furthest on the left? Ted Kennedy? His time is short. I think the Deaniacs are the most vocal in the Democratic party right now.

The right-wing, however, has Bush in the middle. That's how far the right-wing has shifted.
Keep telling yourself that.
I don't have to. It's evidenced more and more each day. It's why I can truly no longer call myself a Republican.
 
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: Tom
Originally posted by: Geardo
Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's time for Democrats to go for moderate Republican congress seats. There is no room for moderates in GOP.


Bush is a moderate!


I think the scary truth is you may be right.

Scary in that if Bush is a middle of the road Republican, what kind of people are in the far right wing now ?

I think a better question would be: "What kind of people are in the far wings of both the left and right?"

Of course, you would have to think beyond your party bias to consider such a question 😉


Well, the subject was Bush, not the left wing of the Democratic party. But since you bring it up, i don't find them scary, they have no say in our affairs. On the other hand what used to be right wing in the Republican party is now the center, meaning the really far right is one step out of power.


edit- and I don't mean scary because of what THEY think, I mean scary because of the number of people who vote for them.

 
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