News paper releases names of all those who donated to Prop 8.

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: txrandom

Originally posted by: uli2000

Originally posted by: between

Originally posted by: JS80
Why isn't the media spamming us on how it was the black vote that passed prop 8 and how bigoted they are?

it wasn't the black vote that passed prop 8. Blacks only make 6% of the Californian electorate.

If you want to get angry at a single group, get angry at older people (of all colors) which is where most of the support for prop 8 came from.

I guess it's easier to get angry at blacks, than maybe the cute blue-rinse haired granny down the street

Less than 2% of the popluation of California is LDS, so it wasn't the Mormons who passed prop 8. But I guess its easier to pick on them since they dont tend to vote democratic as a group like African Americans do.

I'm pretty sure the Mormons had a big advertising campaign and call center. They may have not voted in numbers, but they convinced a lot of people to support Prop 8.

Maybe the people just knew it was wrong?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Don't civil unions give the exact same rights as marriages??

That's not good enough, it's never good enough.

Why should it be good enough? I'll tell you what's NOT good enough-- you morons' reasoning behind illegally denying an entire class of people a right.

Do you just argue for the sake of arguing?

Denying a right to what? A right to change the dictionary? Marriage is a word with a definition. That's all it is. Those who want to protest, to cause violence, over a word - a word that isn't even offensive in the least - gain no sympathy or respect with me. That's all there is to it.

Even for straight people, I don't consider marriage a "right". So I guess I would deny both classes a "right". Some states require blood tests. Most churches require both to be of the same religion. Marriage is more like a privilege. But still, there is a definition behind it. And if "civil union" provides the same legal rights, just a different definition, then they should just be happy and not fight over technicalities.

:roll:

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Interesting that the Knights of Columbus (Catholic Church) was the largest organizational donor that supported prop 8.

Its always sad when religion invades politics. =(

Aussie here. Our churches can't get involved with politics. Especially this directly, as in donating.

According to this you have the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)

"Organizations with this classification are prohibited from conducting political campaign activities to influence elections to public office."

Why doesnt the Knights of Columbus instantly loose it's tax free status?

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Don't civil unions give the exact same rights as marriages??

That's not good enough, it's never good enough.

Why should it be good enough? I'll tell you what's NOT good enough-- you morons' reasoning behind illegally denying an entire class of people a right.

Well it's the law and people voted against it, unless you are above the law.

The constituition is above the law.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Don't civil unions give the exact same rights as marriages??

That's not good enough, it's never good enough.

Why should it be good enough? I'll tell you what's NOT good enough-- you morons' reasoning behind illegally denying an entire class of people a right.

Do you just argue for the sake of arguing?

Denying a right to what? A right to change the dictionary? Marriage is a word with a definition. That's all it is. Those who want to protest, to cause violence, over a word - a word that isn't even offensive in the least - gain no sympathy or respect with me. That's all there is to it.

Even for straight people, I don't consider marriage a "right". So I guess I would deny both classes a "right". Some states require blood tests. Most churches require both to be of the same religion. Marriage is more like a privilege. But still, there is a definition behind it. And if "civil union" provides the same legal rights, just a different definition, then they should just be happy and not fight over technicalities.

:roll:

Yeah, Blacks shouldn't be able to use the same water fountains as me :roll:

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

Apples to Oranges, dumbass. Supporting Obama doesn't intrinsically deny someone their rights.

 

[Ryan711]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

Apples to Oranges, dumbass. Supporting Obama doesn't intrinsically deny someone their rights.

Not yet anyway

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

Apples to Oranges, dumbass. Supporting Obama doesn't intrinsically deny someone their rights.

denies the rights of the unborn who don't get to chose if they come to term or not.
But I was just being facetious anyway. dumtrout.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: between

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: TallBill
Edit - Looks about even for "oppose" and "support"

ELLEN DEGENERES - $100,000

That is a piss poor amount for someone of her wealth and influence. I guess it just doesn't matter that much to her.

Maybe gays in California were lulled into complacency by the early polls, which seemed to indicate the propositon had little chance of passing.

They forgot about Crystal Palace

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

Then explain this: I just went through the numbers provided by the SacBee article. They listed the top 84 donations from organizations. They also listed the top 267 donations from individuals. Everything not listed was below $25,000 which would not tip the scales unless MASSIVE quantities of <$25,000 donations from organizations and individuals went one way. The results?

Donations by Organizations

• Oppose Prop 8: $7,985,386
  Support Prop 8: $5,635,868

Donations by Individuals

• Oppose Prop 8: $12,844,916
  Support Prop 8: $9,747,742

Donations by All

• Oppose Prop 8: $20,830,302
  Support Prop 8: $15,383,610

Opponents of Prop 8 donated $5,446,692 MORE than proponents! That's 35% more!

One of two things is happening:
The liberal proponents are scapegoating the church and the media is buying in with no research
-or-
The liberal proponents ran a horribly ineffective campaign

I don't have a horse in this race, but you cannot sit back and blame Prop 8's passage on funding, the church, and the LDS if you purport to have a shred of objectivity.

Yes.. Blacks ran a terrible campaign against Slavery for a long time

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

You are the fucking loons.. Religion is a personal thing.. stay the fuck out of people lives who aren't part of your church..

STOP trying to take away the rights of CITIZENS OF THE USA who do not belong to your church

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

Apples to Oranges, dumbass. Supporting Obama doesn't intrinsically deny someone their rights.

denies the rights of the unborn who don't get to chose if they come to term or not.
But I was just being facetious anyway. dumtrout.

WTFUCK are you talking about .. THE OWNER OF THE FETUS DOESN'T WANT IT.. get that through your thick heads

YOU and your religious buddies.. don't own the fetus

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Don't civil unions give the exact same rights as marriages??

That's not good enough, it's never good enough.

Why should it be good enough? I'll tell you what's NOT good enough-- you morons' reasoning behind illegally denying an entire class of people a right.

Do you just argue for the sake of arguing?

Denying a right to what? A right to change the dictionary? Marriage is a word with a definition. That's all it is. Those who want to protest, to cause violence, over a word - a word that isn't even offensive in the least - gain no sympathy or respect with me. That's all there is to it.

Even for straight people, I don't consider marriage a "right". So I guess I would deny both classes a "right". Some states require blood tests. Most churches require both to be of the same religion. Marriage is more like a privilege. But still, there is a definition behind it. And if "civil union" provides the same legal rights, just a different definition, then they should just be happy and not fight over technicalities.

:roll:

Main Entry: mar·riage
Pronunciation: \'mer-ij, 'ma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

Apples to Oranges, dumbass. Supporting Obama doesn't intrinsically deny someone their rights.

denies the rights of the unborn who don't get to chose if they come to term or not.
But I was just being facetious anyway. dumtrout.

Oh please, keep your religious voodoo out of this.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Don't civil unions give the exact same rights as marriages??

That's not good enough, it's never good enough.

Look at how fucking stupid you are.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

Then explain this: I just went through the numbers provided by the SacBee article. They listed the top 84 donations from organizations. They also listed the top 267 donations from individuals. Everything not listed was below $25,000 which would not tip the scales unless MASSIVE quantities of <$25,000 donations from organizations and individuals went one way. The results?

Donations by Organizations

• Oppose Prop 8: $7,985,386
  Support Prop 8: $5,635,868

Donations by Individuals

• Oppose Prop 8: $12,844,916
  Support Prop 8: $9,747,742

Donations by All

• Oppose Prop 8: $20,830,302
  Support Prop 8: $15,383,610

Opponents of Prop 8 donated $5,446,692 MORE than proponents! That's 35% more!

One of two things is happening:
The liberal proponents are scapegoating the church and the media is buying in with no research
-or-
The liberal proponents ran a horribly ineffective campaign

I don't have a horse in this race, but you cannot sit back and blame Prop 8's passage on funding, the church, and the LDS if you purport to have a shred of objectivity.

Yup, the only people to blame here are the people. CA wants prop 8, I dunno what else to say.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

Apples to Oranges, dumbass. Supporting Obama doesn't intrinsically deny someone their rights.

denies the rights of the unborn who don't get to chose if they come to term or not.
But I was just being facetious anyway. dumtrout.

Oh please, keep your religious voodoo out of this.

quit being a religious bigot.

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Homosexuality and religion...

There are religious people who don't value "choice" in any context. For them, everything is either mandatory or prohibited.

Even if homosexuality were a choice, how in the eyes of religious folk does one justify their choice of religion being protected if choice of sexual orientation is not. They only think their religion should be protected. Religious freedom for those religions which support same-sex marriage is a non-issue to them, despite the fact that "religious freedom" was actually a rallying cry for Prop 8. But don't expect consistency or rationality from religion, anyway; you're bound to be disappointed.

 

[Genx87]

Does California have civil unions?

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

Apples to Oranges, dumbass. Supporting Obama doesn't intrinsically deny someone their rights.

denies the rights of the unborn who don't get to chose if they come to term or not.
But I was just being facetious anyway. dumtrout.

Oh please, keep your religious voodoo out of this.

quit being a religious bigot.

Huh what? Here's the thing about America: Because an invisible man who lives in the sky and loves you unconditionally (unless of course, you let gays marry or vote Democrat - in which case he sends you to a lake of burning hellfire for all eternity) told you via a book that is hundreds of years old something is wrong (which isn't true even without all of that nonsense) DOES NOT give you the right to legislate your beliefs. Deal with it.

When bigots try to play the bigotry card, it's amusing. You're more than welcome to believe whatever you like, just don't cram it down the rest of our throats.

Besides, if you want to start up an abortion thread, be my guest.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed
Homosexuality and religion...

There are religious people who don't value "choice" in any context. For them, everything is either mandatory or prohibited.

Even if homosexuality were a choice, how in the eyes of religious folk does one justify their choice of religion being protected if choice of sexual orientation is not. They only think their religion should be protected. Religious freedom for those religions which support same-sex marriage is a non-issue to them, despite the fact that "religious freedom" was actually a rallying cry for Prop 8. But don't expect consistency or rationality from religion, anyway; you're bound to be disappointed.

How in the world did they justify that?

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Does California have civil unions?

Yes.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: sactoking

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

Then explain this: I just went through the numbers provided by the SacBee article. They listed the top 84 donations from organizations. They also listed the top 267 donations from individuals. Everything not listed was below $25,000 which would not tip the scales unless MASSIVE quantities of <$25,000 donations from organizations and individuals went one way. The results?

Donations by Organizations

• Oppose Prop 8: $7,985,386
  Support Prop 8: $5,635,868

Donations by Individuals

• Oppose Prop 8: $12,844,916
  Support Prop 8: $9,747,742

Donations by All

• Oppose Prop 8: $20,830,302
  Support Prop 8: $15,383,610

Opponents of Prop 8 donated $5,446,692 MORE than proponents! That's 35% more!

One of two things is happening:
The liberal proponents are scapegoating the church and the media is buying in with no research
-or-
The liberal proponents ran a horribly ineffective campaign

I don't have a horse in this race, but you cannot sit back and blame Prop 8's passage on funding, the church, and the LDS if you purport to have a shred of objectivity.

Yes.. Blacks ran a terrible campaign against Slavery for a long time

I'm not even sure how to respond. I'm flabbergasted. I mean, seriously?!? Is there even a brain in there or is it a direct line to a left-wing propaganda machine?

You obviously can't comprehend the DISCUSSION I was trying to have with other, rational people on the forum, which is evidenced by your next post after this quoted one. So, how about you just turn around and go and leave the talking to the adults?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: cubby1223
I just don't understand the issue.

I have two gay cousins, so it's not like I've never seen a gay.

Why can't the Californians just be? They don't need marriage to legitimize their lives.

And who cares about the donations? Donations didn't pass the proposition, the votes did.

Because it's an affront to the equal protection clause of our state's constitution. As for the donations, they = the ability the purchase TV spots, which the supporters of prop 8 did in great quantity. I couldn't turn on the TV without seeing pro-prop 8 ads blathering on about how everyone's kids were going to be taught about gay marriage and similar nonsense.

Get it? Donations = tv spots/advertisements = influence.

I got it so you want me to boycott everyone who sponsered Obama.
Because I don't agree with them?
:roll:
The left is getting loonier by the minute.

Apples to Oranges, dumbass. Supporting Obama doesn't intrinsically deny someone their rights.

denies the rights of the unborn who don't get to chose if they come to term or not.
But I was just being facetious anyway. dumtrout.

Oh please, keep your religious voodoo out of this.

quit being a religious bigot.

Huh what? Here's the thing about America: Because an invisible man who lives in the sky and loves you unconditionally (unless of course, you let gays marry or vote Democrat - in which case he sends you to a lake of burning hellfire for all eternity) told you via a book that is hundreds of years old something is wrong (which isn't true even without all of that nonsense) DOES NOT give you the right to legislate your beliefs. Deal with it.

When bigots try to play the bigotry card, it's amusing. You're more than welcome to believe whatever you like, just don't cram it down the rest of our throats.

Besides, if you want to start up an abortion thread, be my guest.

thats what so amusing about the radical left always playing the bigot card when they are among the least tolerant people alive. If you don't agree with someone silence thier right to speak, silence there right to vote, silence thier right to have an opinion. Spit on some old ladies who vote for prop 8.
sorry pal a religious bigot is what you are.
So don't paint me black when you work at the kettle factory.