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fskimospy

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For the love of GOD and everything holy, GOOD!!!!!!!

Congress is passing too many laws. We could probably go a hundred years and not need another law passed.

Would would be awesome, if congress met every other year, and then only for about 2 months. Then they would not have time to work on these stupid laws. Make them go back to their district and live like everyone else.

That's a really stupid thing to say. 100 years ago we had just barely invented wireless radio communication and the primary method of getting around in the US was by foot or horse. Hell, we had just barely invented the airplane.

Think how retarded we would have been if we had decided that we didn't need any more laws for 100 years after that.
 

Zebo

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Seems good was abused too long. But happens if someone dies while congress is out?
 

Moonbeam

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There comes a point when laws become oppressive and excessive.

There comes a point when laws go out of date. Some years ago a English men between the ages of 17 and 60 no longer needed to keep a long bow and practice archery regularly. That law of the fifteen hundreds was repealed in 1960.
 

werepossum

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They did remove the rule about recess appointments only being allowed between actual, formal sessions of Congress.

And the it looks like the President might have some options though under Article II, Section 3, however, this method is largely untested:

But they are right, 3-10 days isn't that long for most positions that need filling (but it does leave open the door to recess appointments should they prove necessary). It is still kind of obnoxious that the Senate is abdicating its responsibility to approve appointments. If they don't agree, then they should vote no. But it's effectively hamstringing the bureaucracies (and judiciary) we have created, and that's not necessarily a good thing.
Before this IRS scandal I would have agreed; every nominee deserves an honest hearing and an up or down vote within a reasonable amount of time. Now however I'm changing my mind. One must needs fight a powerful criminal cartel with every tool available.

For the love of GOD and everything holy, GOOD!!!!!!!

Congress is passing too many laws. We could probably go a hundred years and not need another law passed.

Would would be awesome, if congress met every other year, and then only for about 2 months. Then they would not have time to work on these stupid laws. Make them go back to their district and live like everyone else.
I tend to agree. Very few of these laws are even read, and in at least one case in Pelosi's House they were voting on a bill that had not even been written yet, so that upon challenge she had to extend the voting for hours until a copy could be compiled and rushed to the House floor as required by law. Absolutely no one had the read the bill, and in fact when it was being voted on it did not in fact exist.

Seems good was abused too long. But happens if someone dies while congress is out?
That isn't affected. The issue was Obama making recess appointments when Congress had not been in recess over three days. Note that Congress had not been in recess for the requisite three days because the Pubbies were holding sham sessions every three days specifically for that reason - something I used to oppose.
 
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Before this IRS scandal I would have agreed; every nominee deserves an honest hearing and an up or down vote within a reasonable amount of time. Now however I'm changing my mind. One must needs fight a powerful criminal cartel with every tool available.

When you phrase it like that, all I can ask is: "are you like a crazy person?"
 

boomerang

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Seems good was abused too long. But happens if someone dies while congress is out?
That persons staff and the second in command will carry on. Every Presidential election that changes the POTUS gives us unfilled positions and sometimes for years. The wheels of government somehow still keep crushing the proletariat.

When positions go unfilled for years do we really need to have them filled?

In related news: Supreme Court Rules Unanimously Against Obama for 12th and 13th Time Since 2012 Kagan and Sotomayor must be such a disappointment to little Barry.
 

werepossum

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When you phrase it like that, all I can ask is: "are you like a crazy person?"
No, but thank you for asking.

That persons staff and the second in command will carry on. Every Presidential election that changes the POTUS gives us unfilled positions and sometimes for years. The wheels of government somehow still keep crushing the proletariat.

When positions go unfilled for years do we really need to have them filled?

In related news: Supreme Court Rules Unanimously Against Obama for 12th and 13th Time Since 2012 Kagan and Sotomayor must be such a disappointment to little Barry.
That is a good point. How often do these appointees do anything but the political stuff that shouldn't be done at all? Far too many positions are now merely rewards for big donors.
 

fskimospy

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No, but thank you for asking.


That is a good point. How often do these appointees do anything but the political stuff that shouldn't be done at all? Far too many positions are now merely rewards for big donors.

There are actually certain powers in agencies that can only be carried out by an actual confirmed nominee. The CFPB is a good example of this. It's why republicans were fighting so hard to not ever confirm someone to the position; the agency was neutered without a head.
 

werepossum

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There are actually certain powers in agencies that can only be carried out by an actual confirmed nominee. The CFPB is a good example of this. It's why republicans were fighting so hard to not ever confirm someone to the position; the agency was neutered without a head.
That's true, and some of the nominees are for relatively non-political positions such as judges. But his point was still valid. Virtually nothing is universally true, and his viewpoint covers a lot of such nominees.