Newegg spills beans on several GTX 460 cards

[bryanW1995]

I don't get the "with overclocking" caveat. Unless and until something proves it is a badass overclocker (think c2d) it is foolish to automatically assume that YOUR card or CPU or whatever will oc significantly better than other cards at a similar price point. If they could get 5850 level performance consistently then they would clock every one like that. In fact, 5850 has a pretty good rep for overclocking and might just oc better than gtx 460.

 

[edplayer]

In fact, 5850 has a pretty good rep for overclocking and might just oc better than gtx 460.

the average overclocked 5850 should be able to easily beat the average overclocked GTX 460. My point was in how close an "average" overclocked GTX 460 could get to a stock 5850. If its within 10~15%, it looks like a very good value since its a small fraction of the 5850 price.

 

[bryanW1995]

small fraction? looks like the 1gb gtx 460 is in the $220 range right now. Of course that could change, and we'll certainly know more monday. In the past few weeks I have seen numerous references to 5850's in the $250 range AR. Looks to me like the gtx 460 should be 10-15% slower than 5850 at stock speeds and oc higher than 5850 stock to justify that kind of price.

edit: I'm not trying to give gtx 460 a hard time per se, it's just frustrating to see us paying $200 for performance that we could have gotten for the same price 2 years ago. I'm worried that I'm going to be forced to keep this gtx 260 for a while longer... NI and fermi 2 can't get here fast enough!

 

[edplayer]

small fraction? looks like the 1gb gtx 460 is in the $220 range right now. Of course that could change, and we'll certainly know more monday.

Why pick the more expensive one? I was thinking if the cheaper card could get to with 10~15% of a stock 5850 with overclocking.

 

[taltamir]

when is the NDA up? there are all those cards available for sale but no reviews...

 

[edplayer]

maybe Sun/Mon at midnight

 

[edplayer]

Amazon has specs posted for the EVGA Superclocked 768MB version. 763/1526/3800 $224

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Has anyone noticed that Charlie has been a lot less negative about NVidia lately? Just something to keep in mind...

 

[thedosbox]

Has anyone noticed that Charlie has been a lot less negative about NVidia lately? Just something to keep in mind...

You're better off not taking him seriously at all.

I'm happy to see these cards are a more sensible length than the 260 was.

 

[cbn]

maybe Sun/Mon at midnight

I hope so. Comparing power consumption/performance on these cards might give us some good insight on the state of Nvidia's 40nm process technology. (either that or it will a good indicator of how optimizing a card for gaming affects efficiency)

 

[taltamir]

I hope so. Comparing power consumption/performance on these cards might give us some good insight on the state of Nvidia's 40nm process technology. (either that or it will a good indicator of how optimizing a card for gaming affects efficiency)

my guess is that a whole lot... I can't wait to read what anand has to say about it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Might be time to retire my 4770 card!!

 

[Lonyo]

Here's a question:
Why are NV being so conservative with the clocks if they can do so well?
I mean, if they are letting partners do two different versions, why not also suggest two different clockspeeds? (Have the 1GB with higher default clocks than the 768), or just have both with higher clocks (e.g. 725MHz).
It doe seem weird to shoot so low with two cards when there appears to be a lot of headroom.
Maybe a way to appease board partners so it's easier for them to differentiate themselves from others by varying clockspeeds a lot?
It seems odd to limit the clockspeed when they seem to have so much headroom, and especially when there are two products that could have different default clocks.

 

[toyota]

Lonyo, the obvious answer is so it doesnt completely eclipse the gtx465 and/or get too close to the gtx470.

 

[tviceman]

Here's a question:
Why are NV being so conservative with the clocks if they can do so well?
I mean, if they are letting partners do two different versions, why not also suggest two different clockspeeds? (Have the 1GB with higher default clocks than the 768), or just have both with higher clocks (e.g. 725MHz).
It doe seem weird to shoot so low with two cards when there appears to be a lot of headroom.
Maybe a way to appease board partners so it's easier for them to differentiate themselves from others by varying clockspeeds a lot?
It seems odd to limit the clockspeed when they seem to have so much headroom, and especially when there are two products that could have different default clocks.

Lonyo, the obvious answer is so it doesnt completely eclipse the gtx465 and/or get too close to the gtx470.

That, and also (I'm guessing) for a few other reasons. Since they aren't releasing completely unlocked GF104's at this time, they are going to bin the really good chips for all 384 shaders and a higher clockspeed. ALSO ---- I'm guessing Fermi II is going to be sooner rather than later so they want to be able to sell all the existing gtx465/470/480 stock rather than, like you said, eclipse the gtx465 and 470.

 

[konakona]

right, not everyone OC's his video card after all.. and hence the stock clocks (and dividing up market segments between different cards) matter to the oem partners.

 

[Keysplayr]

Approximately how much faster is a 5850 than a 5830 in average % ?
Anyone know before I need to scour the web?

 

[happy medium]

This should make that answer easy ,Keys. I get 25.88% @ 1900x1080.
It's also 23.04% slower across 1280x1024,1650x1050,and 1900x1080 all together on avg.
I didn't include 2500x1600, who buys this card for that res.?

Thats not too bad considering they go for 199$ shipped now and 179$ after rebate. 28% less money without the rebate.

Sounds like at this price the 5830 is the best bang for your buck?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/xfx-radeon-hd5830_15.html#sect0

 

[Sp12]

Happy, you realize that's a graph between a 5830 and 4890, not a 5830 and 5850.

 

[bryanW1995]

Why pick the more expensive one? I was thinking if the cheaper card could get to with 10~15% of a stock 5850 with overclocking.

oh, sorry. it would take a pretty good oc to get the 768mb gtx 260 that close to a 5850. using that argument you could say: why don't I just buy a 5850 for ~ $250 b/c it will oc to within 10-15% of a gtx 480. Except 5850 will do better even than that. Of course, I could take a 5770 and put it on liquid nitrogen...

Happy, you realize that's a graph between a 5830 and 4890, not a 5830 and 5850.

that seems to be a huge drop from the 4890 down to 5830. Go through and read the entire article and actually look at each graph, the chart shown is difficult to follow.

 

[Lonyo]

Happy, you realize that's a graph between a 5830 and 4890, not a 5830 and 5850.

No it's not. the red is vs HD5850.
The 3 colours represent 3 different cards (key at the bottom of the graph)