newbie about surge protectors

wpeng

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I never thought much about surge protection until recently. I've always left my electronics on during T-storms and nothing would happen. Well, yesterday, my dad was using two computer and a T-storm took them both out.

So now I'm looking for a surge protector in the 40-50 dollar range and I can't make sense of the stats. What am I looking for? Joules? Is there anything else important?
 

PurdueRy

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Just get something with a good warrenty and a good name. I recommend Belkin. I got one with an unlimited connected equipment warrenty...$40
 

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also for computers, if you can, get some with AVR (Automatic Volatage Regulation) just because a computer isn't directly hit by a strong power surge doesn't mean it can't still get zapped. All municipal power has voltage fluctuantions that can cause problems with your PSU
 

wpeng

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Originally posted by: Tu13erhead
If you go with Belkin, there's a secret 50% off the Belkin.com store :)

See now you've got me curious. Argh. Is this on the Hot Deals forum?
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Originally posted by: wpeng
Originally posted by: Tu13erhead
If you go with Belkin, there's a secret 50% off the Belkin.com store :)

See now you've got me curious. Argh. Is this on the Hot Deals forum?

I think I found something about it at Rossman's site.
 

wpeng

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Alright, I think I googled it. Now, I'm willing to spend around 50 dollars after coupon for one of these things, but there are so many options. The AVR ones seem to have lower surge protection. And then there's battery backup stuff.
 

Zepper

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If one cares about his equipment, one does not buy Belkin power products.

FYI: Belkin exists solely to pump up the bottom line of big-box stores. IOW, their prices have jewelry-store level markups built in ($2.00 USB cables for $20+, etc.). I would suggest APC, CyberPower, TrippLite or Newpoint (there are some other less common names that are also good) for power products. I like to have at least 1000 joules on my surge supressors - and don't put much faith in those umpty-thousand dollar equipment protection offers, read the fine print and you'll see they set up ridiculous hurdles and leave themselves plenty of wiggle room. Even legit claims seldom get paid.

. The best thing to do is to unplug your equipment when you're not at home and when lightning is in your relatively immediate vicinity when you are at home. This is made easier to do when all your equip is plugged into a power strip or surge supressor. Just turning off the power switch on a power strip/surge box WON'T DO, you must unplug as both the neutral and ground lines are usually left connected by those switches - ample means to get to your equipment. Besides which, the gap between the contacts in the switch when turned off usually isn't very large - close enough to be jumped by lightning And don't forget to unplug any modems/cable modems from the phone line/cable tap as lightning often gets to equipment via that route.

. If you're really paranoid, you can get a standard 3-wire AC socket (the type that goes on an extension cord) and wire the three terminals inside the socket together with a piece of bus wire (bare copper ground wire). Then plug that onto the end of the AC cord from your surge supressor when you pull it from the wall. That will prevent any field generated by a REALLY nearby strike from creating enough potential between the wires in the cord to do any damage.

.bh.

 

Tu13erhead

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Yep. I paid ~$40 more for an APC than a Belkin would've cost me, but it's a brand I can trust, so I'm happy.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: wpeng
Originally posted by: Tu13erhead
If you go with Belkin, there's a secret 50% off the Belkin.com store :)

See now you've got me curious. Argh. Is this on the Hot Deals forum?

I think I found something about it at Rossman's site.

Correct there is a Belkin.com 50% off coupon code available :)
 

AsianriceX

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Originally posted by: Zepper
If one cares about his equipment, one does not buy Belkin power products.

FYI: Belkin exists solely to pump up the bottom line of big-box stores. IOW, their prices have jewelry-store level markups built in ($2.00 USB cables for $20+, etc.). I would suggest APC, CyberPower, TrippLite or Newpoint (there are some other less common names that are also good) for power products. I like to have at least 1000 joules on my surge supressors - and don't put much faith in those umpty-thousand dollar equipment protection offers, read the fine print and you'll see they set up ridiculous hurdles and leave themselves plenty of wiggle room. Even legit claims seldom get paid.

. The best thing to do is to unplug your equipment when you're not at home and when lightning is in your relatively immediate vicinity when you are at home. This is made easier to do when all your equip is plugged into a power strip or surge supressor. Just turning off the power switch on a power strip/surge box WON'T DO, you must unplug as both the neutral and ground lines are usually left connected by those switches - ample means to get to your equipment. Besides which, the gap between the contacts in the switch when turned off usually isn't very large - close enough to be jumped by lightning And don't forget to unplug any modems/cable modems from the phone line/cable tap as lightning often gets to equipment via that route.

. If you're really paranoid, you can get a standard 3-wire AC socket (the type that goes on an extension cord) and wire the three terminals inside the socket together with a piece of bus wire (bare copper ground wire). Then plug that onto the end of the AC cord from your surge supressor when you pull it from the wall. That will prevent any field generated by a REALLY nearby strike from creating enough potential between the wires in the cord to do any damage.

.bh.

To add onto this, I recently bought an APC surge protector that includes AC/Coax/Phone/RJ-45(100BaseT) protection. Sure, with a regular surge protector, your computer may be protected from lightning hitting power lines, but you're screwed if it hits other points of entry like your networking equipment or cable TV/Internet lines.

Overkill? Maybe, but I find this 35 dollar investment keeps my mind at ease.
 

wpeng

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So I grabbed a standard APC surge protector from Best Buy that rated 2525 joules and 1750 joules surge protection. Is that good enough? It doesn't have Automatic Voltage regulation or battery backup or anything like that.

EDIT: Oh, and my electricity company is offering some sort of surge protection service for a monthly payment (5.95+tax). Are those worth it at all?
 

Zepper

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It's like what AT&T used to do when they were a monopoly, renting the phones to their customers - it was just found money for them as the phones were made of cast iron (or did it just seem like it ;) ) and cycolac and seldom needed replacing. My parents continued to rent their phone from the phone company long after it was no longer required.
. It is just a heavy duty surge protector (may only be spark-gaps or coax units in it which are slow (millisecond range) to respond, but can handle HUGE peak currents) installed at the service entrance. You could have an electrician spec one out for you and you can see how much a one-shot cost would be relative to a monthly rental (of course you could stretch it out on credit. Then you'll know. If you rent your living quarters and/or move a lot then renting the equipment might be a good idea - one less thing to deal with when you move. If you have a lot of lightning and/or heavy industry in your area then it might be worth it.
. But I'd still have an APC or similar on my computer equipment as I like the "belt & suspenders" approach. And the APC et al. generally have very fast (nanosecond range) damping devices (MOVs, diodes, transorbs, etc.) as well as EMI/RFI filters which the whole-house units generally do not...

.bh.
 

Cawchy87

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What about Monster surge protectors? I can get 60% off of them since I work at best buy. I know their cables are a rip off, are their surge protectors as well?
 

Zepper

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Just the fact that you CAN get a 60% discount should send up a red flag. Not to mention that they use a lot of gobbledyg00k in their marketing. Monster started back before PCs were much of a market factor, when hi-fi gear was one of the big techie nerd markets and all sorts of questionable stuff was able to get traction by employing slick marketing (viral marketing back before it had a name). Monster was sort of a Belkin for the stereo stores - an add-on sale of some monster stuff could add quite a bit to the total profit on a sale.

.bh.
 

LED

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I go for APC although I haven't had any problem with buying Belkin Locally @ 69% off...
 

MWink

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If one cares about his equipment, one does not buy Belkin power products.

I couldn't agree more. Belking surge protectors are the absolute worst. They have a very bad habit of continuing to claim protection even when their protection has been damaged.

I am a fan of APC myself, though Cyber Power, Tripp-Lite, etc. may also be good. As for what to look for, I'd say just look for a high end model from a good company like APC. I consider the specs pretty much pointless (especially Joules. Clamping voltage is one I may look at, lower is better). Personally I look at what's inside however that's hard to do before you buy it. ;) APC's old Professional and Network/Performance series have always looked the best inside (at least to me).

You can find some good deals at APC's Factory Outlet
 

LED

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Actually in my Case when a CRT went down Belkin did Honor their Ins by cutting me 1 check whereas APC did not nut has sent me free batteries :p
 

Zepper

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Wouldn't it have been better if your monitor hadn't gone down in the first place? ;)

.bh.
 

LED

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Originally posted by: Zepper
Wouldn't it have been better if your monitor hadn't gone down in the first place? ;)

.bh.

LOL Yeppers but considering my Main Rig was hooked to the APC and got the static hit then they refused to give me anything other than a new battery, I feel I made out better with Belkin
 

wpeng

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Originally posted by: MWink
I am a fan of APC myself, though Cyber Power, Tripp-Lite, etc. may also be good. As for what to look for, I'd say just look for a high end model from a good company like APC. I consider the specs pretty much pointless (especially Joules. Clamping voltage is one I may look at, lower is better).

Wow, good link. But aren't refurbs a little sketchy for power supplies and such?

Also, sorry to be such a record player, but I'm still not sure what to look for. Is it just the company? I had my computers hooked up to generic $20 surge protectors, and they obviously didn't work. So I should look for Clamping Voltage?

Or AVR? Or battery backup? There are high-end models with only a few of those, with multiple ones, or all of them. What's a good practical solution? I'm not overly paranoid. I just want something that will work 90% of the time. I have owned computers and kept them on during T-storms for 10 years, and this is the first time anything has happened to me. I figure if I buy something slightly more reliable, it will be another 20 years or so :)
 

Unkno

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Getting a ups with AVR is generally better than only a surge protector, since with AVR, it would monitor the voltage.