New York Mayor Bloomberg wants to HIDE baby formula in hospitals

[DucatiMonster696]

Except studies show that babies who are breast fed grow up to have higher IQ.... so breast feeding is the best.

That's great but when the mother is not at home because maybe she is at work and can't feed her baby and the father is the only parental unit around what should occur? Oh wait the baby should be bottle feed until mom comes home.

 

[OutHouse]

Incorrect. A small number of women are unable to breastfeed.

http://www.parenting.com/article/the-breastfeeding-police

so about 200K... yea thats a small number...

 

[nehalem256]

You don't need government or the bible to tell you that murder is wrong and that consequences need to be met out.

Now do you support laws against gay marriage or marijuana use because government tells they are wrong?

Marriage is a government sanctioned contract. Complaining about the government being involved in marriage is ridiculous.

And I have no problem with the government making laws against drugs including marijuana.

 

[nehalem256]

so about 200K... yea thats a small number...

2% is small. Deal with being wrong.

 

[nehalem256]

That's great but when the mother is not at home because maybe she is at work and can't feed her baby and the father is the only parental unit around what should occur? Oh wait the baby should be bottle feed until mom comes home.

Sounds like an argument for women not working to me.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Sounds like an argument for women not working to me.

Its not an argument against mothers working its something that occurs in life when mom wants to work and dad is okay staying/working at home.

 

[AstroManLuca]

That's great but when the mother is not around or she is indispose or just exhausted and can't feed her baby and the father or nurse is the only person around what should occur? Oh wait the baby should be bottle feed until mom comes back without much fuss.

Pumping is really common. You can start bottle-feeding breast milk after a few weeks. It's also more economical than formula; a pump is a one-time cost whereas formula is ongoing.

My wife is now 9 months pregnant. We've taken a few classes on newborn care and reading books and magazines and it looks like the recommendation is to feed the baby breast milk EXCLUSIVELY for the first six months. She is planning on going back to work in 6-8 weeks but she will be pumping her breast milk into bottles for me to feed the baby for the days when I'll be working from home.

 

[piasabird]

Doesnt all the baby formula in the hospitals come from donors i.e. Manufacturers?

Who cares what they do with it?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Marriage is a government sanctioned contract. Complaining about the government being involved in marriage is ridiculous.

And I have no problem with the government making laws against drugs including marijuana.

Government says jump, you say okay and ask how high. Thus your answer is the reason why we end up with shitty laws in society that serve no other use but to keep bureaucratic employed and the meaningless paper work flowing.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Why the emphasis on the word "hide" in the title? Like is Bloomberg really expecting that he'll be able to trick people by putting the formula under some couch cusions? Or is he in the hospital switching the labels around, so a whole bunch of people who need vicodin end up getting formula instead? "Hey man, I stole some primo shit from the hospital... wait, is this fucking baby formula? Damn you Bloomberg!"

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Incorrect. A small number of women are unable to breastfeed.

http://www.parenting.com/article/the-breastfeeding-police

Did you actually read that article? It says that while only 2% of women can't breastfeed (no citation btw, and based on my experience that number may be higher) due to physical limitations many " Others may lactate poorly because they're exhausted, anxious, or depressed, or weakened by postpartum surgery. Milk supply can plummet when a working mother finds it difficult to pump on the job. A previous breast-reduction surgery or lumpectomy can inhibit lactation." Plus, anyone on any number of medications should not breastfeed.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Why the emphasis on the word "hide" in the title? Like is Bloomberg really expecting that he'll be able to trick people by putting the formula under some couch cusions? Or is he in the hospital switching the labels around, so a whole bunch of people who need vicodin end up getting formula instead? "Hey man, I stole some primo shit from the hospital... wait, is this fucking baby formula? Damn you Bloomberg!"

because daily fail

 

[nehalem256]

Did you actually read that article? It says that while only 2% of women can't breastfeed (no citation btw, and based on my experience that number may be higher) due to physical limitations many " Others may lactate poorly because they're exhausted, anxious, or depressed, or weakened by postpartum surgery. Milk supply can plummet when a working mother finds it difficult to pump on the job. A previous breast-reduction surgery or lumpectomy can inhibit lactation." Plus, anyone on any number of medications should not breastfeed.

try googling the percentage of women who cannot breast feed. I did. Every discussion of it was <5%.

And please explain the how women's lifestyle choices being opposed to breast feeding is in anyway relevant to a discussion on women's physical ability to breastfeed. I claimed that evolutionary biology would dictate that only a small amount of women would be able to physically unable to breastfeed.

 

[tommo123]

I'm not even specifically talking about this. Look at all of the other questionable stuff government does in the name of public safety. A prime example is Bloomberg's ban on sodas over 16 ounces.

we're talking about something that affects babies here. some parents make bad choices and the child suffers (the child has no choice). i disagree on the soda thing though. i mean if you want to get morbidly obese and die in your own filth i have no problem with that as you're an adult. i miss supersize fries :\

there's a difference between being free to make your own choices versus choices that affect another person with no voice of their own

i can't talk as i've had 18 packs of chips and 8 cans of cherry coke today :wub:

 

[xj0hnx]

Marriage is a government sanctioned contract. Complaining about the government being involved in marriage is ridiculous.

And I have no problem with the government making laws against drugs including marijuana.

Why is freedom such a foreign concept to you? So if two people love each other they can't make vows to each other unless the almighty government allows it? I pity you.

we're talking about something that affects babies here. some parents make bad choices and the child suffers (the child has no choice). i disagree on the soda thing though. i mean if you want to get morbidly obese and die in your own filth i have no problem with that as you're an adult. i miss supersize fries :\

there's a difference between being free to make your own choices versus choices that affect another person with no voice of their own

i can't talk as i've had 18 packs of chips and 8 cans of cherry coke today :wub:

It isn't like formula kills, or even hurts babies.

 

[nehalem256]

Why is freedom such a foreign concept to you? So if two people love each other they can't make vows to each other unless the almighty government allows it? I pity you.

By that logic there is nothing stopping 2 gay men from getting married today. So why are they always complaining they cannot get married?

 

[JACKHAMMER]

try googling the percentage of women who cannot breast feed. I did. Every discussion of it was <5%.

And please explain the how women's lifestyle choices being opposed to breast feeding is in anyway relevant to a discussion on women's physical ability to breastfeed. I claimed that evolutionary biology would dictate that only a small amount of women would be able to physically unable to breastfeed.

First off, one in twenty is significant. How you can discount those women is beyond rational.

Second, the physical ability to breast feed and lifestyle are inherently linked. It is clear through your posts that you lack any significant biological education, but milk production is linked to the prolactin pathway. Prolactin production is tied to stimulation, and when women go back to work it can be difficult to maintain that. Pumping is an option, but some employers frown upon it, and even if they don't it can be uncomfortable for mom and sometimes awkard as their breasts can leak, etc. Basically, breast feeding is a full-time gig.

I assume through your posts that you think mothers should be relegated to the home during this time, but that is simply not an option for many people. And it is a choice that woman is free to make, not you.

 

[nehalem256]

First off, one in twenty is significant. How you can discount those women is beyond rational.

Every place I saw was less than 5%. Somewhere between 1/20 and 1/50 is not many. It is a small percentage by anyone's definition.

Second, the physical ability to breast feed and lifestyle are inherently linked. It is clear through your posts that you lack any significant biological education, but milk production is linked to the prolactin pathway. Prolactin production is tied to stimulation, and when women go back to work it can be difficult to maintain that. Pumping is an option, but some employers frown upon it, and even if they don't it can be uncomfortable for mom and sometimes awkard as their breasts can leak, etc. Basically, breast feeding is a full-time gig.

I assume through your posts that you think mothers should be relegated to the home during this time, but that is simply not an option for many people. And it is a choice that woman is free to make, not you.

I do not think society should encourage women to make choices that are bad for their children. You obviously disagree with that.

 

[Matthiasa]

~2% of the population is homosexual.

EDIT: And it should only be nearly nonexistant assuming there is a genetic basis for it.

Fun fact: The sets of genes that increases the likelihood of one being homosexual also increases increases fertility in women.
Which means women who had that trait tended to have more children, which actually makes said set of genes quite advantageous.

 

[abj13]

It isn't like formula kills, or even hurts babies.

Formula fed infants have higher rates of sudden infant death syndrome, Type I diabetes mellitus, atopic disease including eczema and asthma, necrotizing entercolitis, acute otitis media, gastroenteritis, upper respiratory infections, urinary tract infections...

 

[xj0hnx]

Formula fed infants have higher rates of sudden infant death syndrome, Type I diabetes mellitus, atopic disease including eczema and asthma, necrotizing entercolitis, acute otitis media, gastroenteritis, upper respiratory infections, urinary tract infections...

Percentage? Seems if it were that bad there wouldn't be formula.

 

[xj0hnx]

By that logic there is nothing stopping 2 gay men from getting married today. So why are they always complaining they cannot get married?

Probably because closed minded bigots force their morality on everyone around them and create laws telling them they can't?

 

[nehalem256]

Percentage? Seems if it were that bad there wouldn't be formula.

But then how would feminists "have it all"?

Fun fact: The sets of genes that increases the likelihood of one being homosexual also increases increases fertility in women.
Which means women who had that trait tended to have more children, which actually makes said set of genes quite advantageous.

That would be because it is possible, and desirable from the perspective of the man, for one man to mate with many women.

It is also possible for gay men to reproduce as is seen by married men coming out as gay.

Although I believe this is all theoretical since I have never heard of the discovery of a gay gene.

 

[abj13]

Percentage? Seems if it were that bad there wouldn't be formula.

Um, that's why the American Academy of Pediatrics and the WHO both recommend breastfeeding. But then there's the whole "freedom of choice" movement... despite multiple studies showing the benefits, many women are misinformed, or start out bottle feeding. Many of the mothers I meet have the incorrect assumption that since they started with bottle, they can't switch back to breast. Then there's the entire public perception about breastfeeding in public, it ends up being a disservice to the children of the future.

 

[xj0hnx]

Um, that's why the American Academy of Pediatrics and the WHO both recommend breastfeeding. But then there's the whole "freedom of choice" movement... despite multiple studies showing the benefits, many women are misinformed, or start out bottle feeding. Many of the mothers I meet have the incorrect assumption that since they started with bottle, they can't switch back to breast. Then there's the entire public perception about breastfeeding in public, it ends up being a disservice to the children of the future.

Recommending breastfeeding because it's better for babies isn't the same as not recommending formula because it is hurting babies.