New York Judge: Web Surfing cannot be grounds for firing

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Judge: Worker can't be fired for Web surfing
By Candace Lombardi
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Published: April 24, 2006, 3:03 PM PDT
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A New York City employee cannot be fired for surfing the Web from work, an administrative law judge has ruled.

In his decision, Judge John Spooner said that agencies should apply the same standard to personal Internet use as they do to other personal activities. He noted that many agencies allow employees to take personal calls, or even read the newspaper, as long as those activities do not interfere with a worker's overall performance.

Toquir Choudhri, a Department of Education employee of 14 years, was accused of ignoring supervisors who warned him to stop browsing the Internet while at work. An investigation found evidence that Choudhri had browsed news and travel Web sites from his work computer.

"Look, at 4 in the morning, or because of the nature of the department, some city agencies have downtime. Surfing on the Internet--everybody does it," Martin Druyan, the union attorney representing Choudhri, told CNET News. "Choudhri was singled out in retaliation for discrimination charges that he filed against the Department of Education," he said.

"The judge ruled in our favor because they could not prove that work was backed up, or that phone calls went unanswered," Druyan added. "We don't advocate goofing off. The public should be served. But if there's not work, it's not his fault."

Choudhri was not fired, but Spooner reprimanded him in a letter that will go into Choudhri's employee file.

Druyan said he was pleased with the decision.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg fired a city employee in February during his tour of the city's Albany legislative offices, after noticing a game of computer solitaire on the employee's screen.

The Office of Administrative Trials and Hearings judges rule on New York City municipal policies. Because Spooner's decision directly affects New York City agencies, the decision could have an influence on Bloomberg's earlier action.

 

rudder

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nef season is upon us

on the contrary, I am buying stock in companies that provide web filtering.
 

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yeah if you are not performing dicking around on the job you can be fired.......common sense not news.
 

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This was in a government office. A private employer in an "at-will" state could still fire your butt faster than you could click the little "X" button at the top right of your browser.
 

sao123

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Originally posted by: Queasy
This was in a government office. A private employer in an "at-will" state could still fire your butt faster than you could click the little "X" button at the top right of your browser.

I'm not so sure about that either.
 

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Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: Queasy
This was in a government office. A private employer in an "at-will" state could still fire your butt faster than you could click the little "X" button at the top right of your browser.

I'm not so sure about that either.


Well they could, but in some states they would have to pay unemployment insurance tax when the employee goes on unemployment, unless they were given warnings to the effect that they would be terminated if they surfed the web.
 

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An outrageous abuse of judicial power. The worker was told not to do something, with his employer's property no less, and directly violated that rule.

If you do not like your employer's rules, find work elsewhere. Just as an employer should find help elsewhere if his employee does not follow his rules.
 

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Originally posted by: sao123
Originally posted by: Queasy
This was in a government office. A private employer in an "at-will" state could still fire your butt faster than you could click the little "X" button at the top right of your browser.

I'm not so sure about that either.

Private employers in an at will employment state can fire you for any reason, or no reason at all, provided it does not conflict with the restrictions of title 7 of the civil rights act.
 

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Originally posted by: Amused
An outrageous abuse of judicial power. The worker was told not to do something, with his employer's property no less, and directly violated that rule.

If you do not like your employer's rules, find work elsewhere. Just as an employer should find help elsewhere if his employee does not follow his rules.


I agree. Is it also the judge's position that the employer cannot use web filtering software to block such activities? Also, he does not seem to make a distinction as to which sites are acceptable to browse. Is porn ok? We've got a slippery slope here.