New York 10+ years behind

[Pray To Jesus]

http://www.wivb.com/news/local/roswell-supports-clinical-trial-for-pot

BUFFALO, N.Y. (WIVB) - In his State of the State address on Wednesday, Governor Andrew Cuomo called for limited use of marijuana as a medicine, but not everyone agrees that the drug has legitimate medical uses.


Doctors say there is very little hard evidence to the efficacy of marijuana, but one plus side of the governor's proposal is it will allow the medical community to test and measure the benefits or lack thereof of using marijuana to aid the sick.


"I think we have a continuing need to improve the care of cancer patients, reduce their symptoms of the disease and of the treatment, and under the right circumstances, this is something worth looking at for cancer patients," Dr. Trump said.

The science behind medical MJ has been known for years. Marinol is a patented medicine, THC in pill form.

Most likely their draconian gun laws are also lagging years behind as well.

 

[Lithium381]

Where is your commentary?

why do people care soooo much if someone smokes a bit if herb and makes them feel better-for whatever reason medical or not!?

 

[Kadarin]

Because getting high is for some reason regarded as being immoral.

 

[bradly1101]

Because getting high is for some reason regarded as being immoral.

But doing it with alcohol is A-OK!

 

[nehalem256]

The science behind medical MJ has been known for years. Marinol is a patented medicine, THC in pill form.

Is Marinol illegal?

If it is legal doesn't that mean that medical marijuana is pointless and just a front to legalize recreational MJ?

 

[Fayd]

Is Marinol illegal?

If it is legal doesn't that mean that medical marijuana is pointless and just a front to legalize recreational MJ?

if a joint is significantly cheaper than a pill, and just as effective, isn't it more efficient to use the MJ?

 

[zinfamous]

Is Marinol illegal?

If it is legal doesn't that mean that medical marijuana is pointless and just a front to legalize recreational MJ?

I want to say that marinol falls under a different control class--similar to opiates. AFAIK, you can only get a script if you are on pretty heavy chemo, maybe even terminal cancer. I could be wrong.

Honestly, I hate the idea of medical marijuana. It's always been a front for recreational use, but I also see it as one avenue in. The intent was to make society more comfortable with the idea, and it mostly seems to have worked.

But I'm just gonna pull some numbers out of my ass and claim that more than 70% of the mMJ in Cali over the last decade has been sold and consumed primarily for recreational use.

I twisted my ankle yesterday--that absolutely qualifies me to get an mMJ script here. Honestly, I think that is fine in reality, but the subterfuge of calling it mMJ is just weird.

 

[nehalem256]

if a joint is significantly cheaper than a pill, and just as effective, isn't it more efficient to use the MJ?

Do you have any evidence to that? Also, I would expect a pill to have better dosage and quality control.

 

[TallBill]

Their draconian gun laws have gotten far worse over the past year.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Their draconian gun laws have gotten far worse over the past year.

This state is owned by Cuomo. What he wants we have. If no, we don't. The Emperor of NY.

 

[zinfamous]

Do you have any evidence to that? Also, I would expect a pill to have better dosage and quality control.

depends on the pill, but a regular-sized, decent joint should be about $3-4 dollars.

Hell, last I was in Amsterdam, a store-rolled spliff was about 5 bucks.

 

[Daverino]

Yeah, but we're 100 years ahead in gun control, so we got that going for us.

 

[Moonbeam]

This state is owned by Cuomo. What he wants we have. If no, we don't. The Emperor of NY.

I know nothing of the local politics there but I have a theory the conservative brains and cities don't go together well. One is constantly exposed to different kinds of people, different mores, different foods, different everything. I think a conservative brain would go into convulsions with the dizzying pace. Every day of your life your surrounded by others. If you saw them as terrifying you'd die from paranoia at a very young age, or join gangs and piss tags on walls and wear colors to distinguish yourself from the idiot just like you across the street.

Anyway, if cities breed liberal brains that learn to adapt and welcome change then maybe the folk who vote in an Emperor just think there voting for somebody who thinks like they do. If freedom is slavery then maybe slavery is freedom depending on how your brain sees things. Oddly the fortune cookie I just opened that said, Good fortune is always on your side is exactly the idea I wanted to express here. I have guns and want to keep them, but if guns were illegal I wouldn't care.

I think the folk who want my guns are like the folk who want my right to keep them, other than those with a financial stake. They all want to protect human life. A lot depends on who you trust. Liberals are more relaxed with others and conservatives seem to me to have big trust issues. It's that brain thingi again. Just an opinion.

 

[Genx87]

Yeah, but we're 100 years ahead in gun control, so we got that going for us.

And 4th amendment violations against minorities. A liberal paradise.

 

[Darwin333]

Because getting high is for some reason regarded as being immoral.

The hell it is! Tobacco has got to be the most dangerous substance known t friggen man and its perfectly legal and fine.

How about some alcohol? Drunk driving, liver disease and a litany of other shit is caused by it but no worries at all.

Can someone tell me anything that weed does, at any sort of realistic usage level, that compares to anything like the above perfectly legal highs? Anything at all? Sorta kinda? Maybe even sorta close? How about some shit you heard from a friend that he heard from a friend that he heard from a preacher who swore that he saw it in real life?

 

[Darwin333]

Do you have any evidence to that? Also, I would expect a pill to have better dosage and quality control.

Common sense?

Seriously, how the hell is extracting one chemical from a plant and then pharmaceutically producing it in pill form ever going to be cheaper than simply using the raw plant that the pharmaceutical companies started with????

 

[Victorian Gray]

Is Marinol illegal?

If it is legal doesn't that mean that medical marijuana is pointless and just a front to legalize recreational MJ?

Here, educate yourself. Make an effort for a change.

http://chealth.canoe.ca/drug_info_details.asp?brand_name_id=1313

http://norml.org/component/zoo/category/marinol-vs-natural-cannabis

 

[Victorian Gray]

depends on the pill, but a regular-sized, decent joint should be about $3-4 dollars.

Hell, last I was in Amsterdam, a store-rolled spliff was about 5 bucks.

Out of curiosity what would the weight/joint be? Up here you pay by the gram (or larger, ie. 1/4 oz, 1/2 oz, etc.)

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Yeah, but we're 100 years ahead in gun control, so we got that going for us.

Yea you are struggling in that area. Science and history already show that your draconian gun control laws are at best naive, misguided, and ineffective.

 

[nehalem256]

Common sense?

Seriously, how the hell is extracting one chemical from a plant and then pharmaceutically producing it in pill form ever going to be cheaper than simply using the raw plant that the pharmaceutical companies started with????

Supply and demand?

EDIT: http://www.reference.com/motif/food_and_drinks/how-much-juice-is-in-one-orange

One medium sized orange, about the size that would easily fit into your palm will yield about 1/4 cup of juice

So a quarter cup is 2oz. What do you think is cheaper a 64oz container of OJ or 32 oranges?

Also, doesn't address my point that normally when taking medications you want control over dose and quality. Do you think you get better control over that when swallowing a pill or smoking a joint?

 

[thraashman]

The science behind medical MJ has...g it and it's no more dangerous than alcohol.

 

[piasabird]

Just legalize it on the federal level and tax the hell out of anyone that buys it.

I have also heard that extracting oil from MJ has its medical application also.

 

[Darwin333]

Supply and demand?

EDIT: http://www.reference.com/motif/food_and_drinks/how-much-juice-is-in-one-orange

So a quarter cup is 2oz. What do you think is cheaper a 64oz container of OJ or 32 oranges?

Also, doesn't address my point that normally when taking medications you want control over dose and quality. Do you think you get better control over that when swallowing a pill or smoking a joint?

You have a point about quality control but you also bring in the "market". The market says that quality control is already perfectly fine and I would bet you a weeks pay that everyone currently on MMJ is perfectly happy with the quality control.

As far as costs go, you do realize that they call it "weed" for a reason. This is a medicine that the poorest of the poor can produce themselves for virtually zero cost. A seed, some dirt and some water is all thats needed to make your own. Poor ass Mexicans (and I mean real poor, as in hungry and skinny poor not American fat with cell phones and cable TV poor) can and do produce their own, mostly to sell to us Americans but the point still stands.

Here in the US we have the luxury of deciding if we want to grow it ourselves or let someone else do it for you. The ONLY reason that high end pot is so expensive is because of the .gov and its legal status in most of the country. Even that is a great thing for the economy, entire towns in Cali weathered the recession pretty damn well because of commercial pot growing by small business.

 

[Darwin333]

Just legalize it on the federal level and tax the hell out of anyone that buys it.

I have also heard that extracting oil from MJ has its medical application also.

It most definitely does and is currently being done in places that MMJ is legal.

 

[nehalem256]

You have a point about quality control but you also bring in the "market". The market says that quality control is already perfectly fine and I would bet you a weeks pay that everyone currently on MMJ is perfectly happy with the quality control.

Probably because most of the people on MMJ are using it as a front to get high.

I mean come on. If you were offered smokable Tylenol or pill Tylenol which would you take?:hmm: