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New White House Estimate Lifts Drug Benefit Cost to $720 Billion

BBond

Diamond Member
So first they lied about the cost of their drug benefit designed to enrich their big contributors in the pharmaceutical industry instead of helping seniors. Then they paid off members to vote for it. Now the true cost is becoming apparent and everyone is shocked? :roll:

Why? It's just business as usual in the Bush White House.

To quote Representative Pete Stark of California, the senior Democrat on the Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health:

"I told you so. We can't trust numbers provided by administration officials. They'll say anything to get a bill passed. And if the new drug benefit costs more, the extra money goes to their friends in the pharmaceutical industry, not to senior citizens."

Note the bolded sentence: "They'll say anything to get a bill passed" -- think Social Security. 😉

New White House Estimate Lifts Drug Benefit Cost to $720 Billion

By ROBERT PEAR

Published: February 9, 2005

WASHINGTON, Feb. 8 - The Bush administration offered a new estimate of the cost of the Medicare drug benefit on Tuesday, saying it would cost $720 billion in the next 10 years.

That is much more than the $400 billion Congress assumed when it passed legislation creating the benefit in late 2003.

But administration officials said the numbers were not comparable. The original estimate was for the years 2004 to 2013. The new estimate covers the period from 2006, when the drug benefit becomes available, to 2015.

The higher figure, which provides the first glimpse of the true cost of the drug benefit, could touch off a political uproar in Congress, where conservative Republicans were already expressing alarm about the costs of Medicare, including the drug benefit.

In a recent interview, the new chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, Judd Gregg, Republican of New Hampshire, said he wanted to "put the brakes on the growth of entitlements" and take a close look at the new Medicare law.

"Since it was sold as a $400 billion program, that's what we should keep it at," Mr. Gregg said.

Representative Rahm Emanuel, Democrat of Illinois, asked about the issue on Tuesday when Treasury Secretary John W. Snow was testifying before the Ways and Means Committee. Mr. Snow said he did not have detailed figures at hand.

Dr. Mark B. McClellan, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said later that the drug benefit would cost $720 billion from 2006 to 2015.

Passage of the Medicare bill was a major political achievement for President Bush and the Republican leaders of Congress. It squeaked through the House by a vote of 220 to 215, and it would probably not have been approved in its current form if lawmakers had thought the cost would exceed a half-trillion dollars.

Mr. Emanuel said: "The new cost estimate destroys the credibility of the Bush administration. Officials were so far off in estimating the cost of the Medicare law. Why should we believe what they say about the financial problems of Social Security?"

Representative Pete Stark of California, the senior Democrat on the Ways and Means Subcommittee on Health, said: "I told you so. We can't trust numbers provided by administration officials. They'll say anything to get a bill passed. And if the new drug benefit costs more, the extra money goes to their friends in the pharmaceutical industry, not to senior citizens."

Mr. Stark said the higher cost estimate showed that Congress should allow the secretary of health and human services to negotiate with drug manufacturers to secure lower prices for Medicare beneficiaries. The law forbids such negotiations. But Tommy G. Thompson, the former secretary of health and human services, said he wished Congress had given him the power to negotiate.

When the Medicare bill was passed, the Congressional Budget Office said the cost would not exceed $400 billion over 10 years. In a letter to The New York Times published on Nov. 20, 2003, Thomas A. Scully, who was then the Medicare administrator, wrote, "We are spending $400 billion."

Just two months later, in January 2004, the White House said the cost, for the same 10-year period, would be $534 billion.

Dr. McClellan said Tuesday that "there has been no significant change in the cost of the drug benefit" for the years 2006 to 2013. But, he said, the new estimate covers two additional years, 2014 and 2015, when Medicare enrollment will be larger and drug prices will be higher. In 2015 alone, he said, Medicare will spend well over $100 billion on the drug benefit.

Assumptions about the cost of the Medicare drug benefit were included in the budget that Mr. Bush unveiled on Monday. A table in one volume of the budget, titled "Analytical Perspectives," shows the drug benefit as costing $345 billion from 2005 to 2010.

Lawmakers said they were shocked to see that number because it was close to the $400 billion figure they had previously been given as the price tag for a full decade. Estimates prepared by the chief Medicare actuary show that the spending for the prescription drug benefit will total $1.2 trillion from 2006 to 2015, before taking account of income that will offset some of that cost.

Dr. McClellan tried to reconcile the numbers on Tuesday night. He said the $345 billion figure and the $1.2 trillion showed "gross costs" and did not reflect the premiums that would be paid by Medicare beneficiaries, compulsory contributions by states or savings to Medicaid that would result from the new law.

Several members of Congress cited the latest cost estimates as a reason Medicare should not pay for Viagra and other "lifestyle drugs." Medicare officials said last week that the new benefit would pay for Viagra, Levitra and similar drugs when they were needed to treat erectile dysfunction.

 
I learned a long time ago NOT to trust the Bush Administration on ANYTHING they say.
They cannot be relied on to be forthright with any facts, just manipulating words to their agenda.
 
Good grief!!

3/4 of a trillion dollars? I bet the drug company execs were spooging their pants when this thing passed because they were likely the ones who helped write the damn thing (like Kenny boy helping to write the Energy bill.)


Remember this?
http://www.independent-media.tv/itempri...m?fmedia_id=6271&fcategory_desc=Health
At the time of the estimate, the House was sharply divided on the proposed new Medicare drug benefit, which the administration strongly backed. Ultimately, the House passed the measure, 216-215, on June 27. In November, House members endorsed a House-Senate compromise version by a 220-215 vote. Approving the version were 13 Republican fiscal conservatives who had said they would vote against it if it cost more than $400 billion for its first 10 years.

And, they'll say anything? Hell, they'll *do* anything to get a bill passed:
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=37095
First, congressional leaders violated House rules in extending the voting period on the bill up to three hours after the initial vote count came up short. Then Rep. Nick Smith (R- MI) confessed ? and later recanted ? that he switched his vote in favor of the bill after threats and bribery attempts including promises of $100,000 from business interests for his son's campaign. Next, the White House unveiled a multi-million dollar ad campaign ? using taxpayer funds ? to defend the faulty legislation. The GAO released a report this week stating the ads misrepresented the prescription drug benefits and included "notable omissions and other weaknesses." And just yesterday, Knight-Ridder reported the Bush administration threatened to fire the government's top expert on Medicare costs if he told lawmakers about the real price tag for the bill prior to the voting.


Honor and integrity?


Where?!?!?
 
Or is it going to be $1.2 trillion???


Medicare Drug Benefit May Cost $1.2 Trillion
Estimate Dwarfs Bush's Original Price Tag
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9328-2005Feb8.html
The White House released budget figures yesterday indicating that the new Medicare prescription drug benefit will cost more than $1.2 trillion in the coming decade, a much higher price tag than President Bush suggested when he narrowly won passage of the law in late 2003.

The projections represent the most complete picture to date of how much the program will cost after it begins next year. The expense of the new drug benefit has been a source of much controversy since the day Congress approved it, with Democrats and some Republicans complaining that the White House has consistently low-balled the expected cost to the government.

As recently as September, Medicare chief Mark B. McClellan said the new drug package would cost $534 billion over 10 years. Last night, he acknowledged that the cumulative cost of the program between 2006 and 2015 will reach $1.2 trillion, but he cited several major savings and offsets that he said will reduce the federal government's bottom-line cost to $720 billion.

The disclosure prompted new criticism by Democrats about the administration's long-term budget estimates. It also showed that Medicare, the national medical insurance program for seniors, may pose a far more serious budgetary problem in the com- ing decade than concerns about the solvency of Social Security.

At a House Ways and Means Committee hearing, Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) taunted Treasury Secretary John W. Snow about the rhetorical discrepancies.

"If you're looking for a crisis, I would suggest you look at a crisis that was self-made in just last year, because the crisis exists in what's happened to Medicare by weighing it down," Emanuel said. "Those of us who told you it was going to cost twice as much were right."

At the recent confirmation hearing of Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt, Senate Budget Committee Chairman Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) pressed the administration to hold down the cost of the prescription drug program to the $400 billion that Bush had originally promised.

In a telephone briefing last night, McClellan said that the annual cost of the program will remain relatively the same but that for the first time the benefit will be fully operational for an entire 10-year budget time frame. "Our cost estimates for the drug benefit are the same as they've been in the past," he said.

From the outset, the cost of the Medicare drug benefit has sparked nearly as much controversy as the details of the program itself. Liberals have said that Bush devised a "stingy" benefit in which many seniors would be faced with thousands of dollars' worth of drug bills. Conservatives have argued that an open-ended entitlement to prescription drug coverage would cost far more than the Treasury could afford.

Beginning with his January 2003 State of the Union address, Bush pledged to keep the total cost of the drug benefit to $400 billion over 10 years. An estimate by the Congressional Budget Office was close to Bush's figure.

But shortly after Bush signed the program into law in December 2003, the White House revised its projection to $534 billion, but it never offered a detailed breakdown of that estimate.

Last March, Richard S. Foster, Medicare's chief actuary for nearly a decade, said administration officials threatened to fire him if he disclosed his belief in 2003 that the drug package would cost $500 billion to $600 billion. Lawmakers in both parties accused the administration of concealing important information that could have derailed passage of the bill.

Last night, in response to media inquiries, McClellan revised the numbers once more. The most significant change, he said, is that the new budget projections tally the cost of drug benefits for 10 years. Projections made in 2003 included the two transition years before the drug coverage is fully implemented in 2006.

Providing prescription coverage for more than 41 million seniors in 2014 and 2015 will cost more than $107 billion annually, he noted.



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funny how a few years ago all the democrats were harping how we needed a medicare drug benefit, and now it's suddenly a waste of money
 
Originally posted by: alent1234
funny how a few years ago all the democrats were harping how we needed a medicare drug benefit, and now it's suddenly a waste of money

http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm326.cfm
House Democratic Proposal. House Democrats called for a prescription drug benefit ranging from $800 billion to $1 trillion over 10 years.[19]
Their plan was at least more upfront about the costs and could have been pared down to more manageable levels.
 
and we all know that medicare and every other entitlement program has scaled within it's original cost projections. cost projections don't mean anything no matter who's idea it is
 
Originally posted by: alent1234
funny how a few years ago all the democrats were harping how we needed a medicare drug benefit, and now it's suddenly a waste of money
I won't defend the Democrats' plan but if it at least made some effort to control drug cost inflation while improving access for the poor . . . it would be a far superior plan than what Bush and the GOPie Congress wiggled into law.

 
Originally posted by: alent1234
funny how a few years ago all the democrats were harping how we needed a medicare drug benefit, and now it's suddenly a waste of money

Funny how people believe "better than nothing" is always a feasable option, even if it is worse than if it didn't exist.
 
Originally posted by: alent1234
and we all know that medicare and every other entitlement program has scaled within it's original cost projections. cost projections don't mean anything no matter who's idea it is


But the expanding cost projections in the Bush plan all go to pharmaceutical companies and provide little relief to seniors.

The Republican plan doesn't allow the government to use its buying power to negotiate a better price. Bush's plan is paying the pharmaceutical industry full price for prescription drugs.

It's not a prescription drug benefit for seniors. It's all a give away to the pharmaceutical industry and the American taxpayer is footing he bill.

 
Engineer shakes head.

If anyone really thinks SS is going to have a tough time, just wait a few years for the Medicare *crisis* to kick in.

The prescription bill was nothing more than to buy votes from the elderly and pump money from the taxpayer or borrowed from elsewhere to the pharms.
 
Originally posted by: Engineer
Engineer shakes head.

If anyone really thinks SS is going to have a tough time, just wait a few years for the Medicare *crisis* to kick in.

The prescription bill was nothing more than to buy votes from the elderly and pump money from the taxpayer or borrowed from elsewhere to the pharms.
Well it worked. This situation reeks of irony. The old farts that voted for Bush can now expect:

1) Cuts in Medicare (Part A and Part B)
2) Cuts (if not outright repeal) of the Drug Benefit
3) Cuts in Medicaid . . . which primarily benefits the elderly

On a positive note, cutbacks in Medicare reimbursements will dramatically lower the number of physicians and healthcare facilities accepting elderly patients that are not private insurance or cash. With any luck they will die of sudden death which limits healthcare costs and Social Security.

 
Just keep your eye on the SS debate. Its another area the Bush plan (plan???) will totally destroy if it comes to be.
 
I really am coming to the opinion that nobody cares about this sh*t and it pisses me off.
3/4 of a trillion for limited benefits for old people and a huge windfall for drug companies.
The gov't can't even negotiate drug prices. Trillions of debt and more than a billion more each day.
Hundreds of billion for Iraq and close to 1500 dead. I just found out a coworker's daughter was just seriously injuried over there.
This president has misled us into war. He has depleted the treasury and is the worst deficit spender in the history of the world. He cannot even claim fiscal conservatism because he has expanded gov't more into our personal lives as well as the expanding the size of the gov't and its spending MORE then anyone in history. And you know what, 57% people just approved. We can talk all about scoring this point or linking some terrible story about GWB or debating whether its 300 billion or 750 billion but people approve - and thus I believe actual people, people out there in Bumf*ck Kansas don't care about this inside politics crap. It pisses me off, all this debt and my generation and their children and grandchildren are going to be paying for this and 57% approve - A legacy of debt. :thumbsdown:
 
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