New WGA spying your computer

[greylica]

Here in Brazil in some of enterprises, the WGA starts to print a message calling that the validation will occurs periodically , and , interesting, they didn´t tell to you the dates of the period or the information that is got from your computer, nor any EULA.
Besides, WGA now make a permanent connection to your computer, ( installed in the registry start programs), probably they want to spy changes like hardware changes periodically, (stock exchanges invests to hardware manufacturers most used )so, they will judge if you are using their software the way that they want too,(buying their crap as they want), and if not, a system of revocation will be installed soon to disable your logon to your computer, because the majority of users don´t know what security uptades carry on, and updates continues.
Some of my friends revealed Microsoft is skating on their efforts to sell SpyVistasoft and that their are starting to get desperate. Putting pressure on pirates is only a part of the sugested solution. They will not lower the overprices or change EULAs/ Restrictions, HDCP and spywares previously factory installed to remote revocation/attestation.
Instead of this, they will persecute the users that payed Windows forever.

But, more insteresting is the information that is sent to Microsoft. Obviously they can persecute users by the IP that has been passed trough WGA. And even if they tell you they do not get any P.I. , their last efforts leave more sensations of insecurity than if your system has a great hole with spywares.

If pirates do not invade your private life, Microsoft certainly will.

Is this honest for an enterprise ?
The EULA specifies that you are in their hands ?
Opinions?

 

[tw1164]

link?

 

[nweaver]

troll....and I think WGA is a bad thing (from another thread).

 

[loup garou]

I think you just throw up a bunch of negative gibberish about MS and expect people to swallow it without any real facts or explanation because they know English is not your primary language.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: greylica
But, more insteresting is the information that is sent to Microsoft. Obviously they can persecute users by the IP that has been passed trough WGA. And even if they tell you they do not get any P.I. , their last efforts leave more sensations of insecurity than if your system has a great hole with spywares.

If pirates do not invade your private life, Microsoft certainly will.

Is this honest for an enterprise ?
The EULA specifies that you are in their hands ?
Opinions?

The genuine validation process will collect information about your system to determine if your Microsoft software is genuine. The validation tools do not collect your name, address, e-mail address, or any other information that Microsoft will use to identify you or contact you. The tools collect such information as:

* Computer make and model
* Version information for the operating system and software using Genuine Advantage
* Region and language setting
* A unique number assigned to your computer by the tools (Globally Unique Identifier or GUID)
* Product ID and product key
* BIOS name, revision number, and revision date
* Volume serial number
* Office product key (if validating Office)

In addition to the configuration information above, status information such as the following is also transferred:

* Whether the installation was successful
* The result of the validation check

As standard procedure, your Internet Protocol (IP) address is temporarily logged when your computer connects to a genuine validation website or server. These logs are routinely deleted.

don't create panic among users

Edit: http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx?displaylang=en

 

[greylica]

Originally posted by: loup garou

I think you just throw up a bunch of negative gibberish about MS and expect people to swallow it without any real facts or explanation because they know English is not your primary language.

Nope, the link of the forum from ocbrasil.

http://www.ocbrasil.com.br

disapeared telling that the users abused the site.

I am not here to tell BS about MS. The problem is not when speak BS, is when we speak the truth...

 

[nerp]

Haha, this guy. MS stealing stock tips. Riiiight.

Yet he's continuing to run windows.

It's like a smoker whining how hard it is to quit with a butt hanging from his mouth or an obese person complaining about their weight between huge mouthfuls of a hot fudge sundae.

 

[greylica]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

don't create panic among users.

If Microsoft don´t mind about the panic WGA is causing even if you don´t install it, so why me ?

I´m helping Microsoft telling the truth to users, pirates or not.
They don´t want to fight piracy ?
If every user that haves a pirated version fear the WGA spyware they will try to switch
to the free O.S. getting out of the stats from Microsoft and WGA catch, helping Microsoft to know exactly the number of legitimate users in the world that buys their system.

Training users in other softwares that does not have this problems is a better form to fight piracy, helping Microsoft. Training them in better substitutes.

If all of the people whose don´t have the money and don´t want to be a number in WGA can be trained in Linux systems, let start it now.

Help Microsoft installing Linux in every box that already is using it´s pirated versions, this will cause the ecossystem to refuse pirated software. Instead, they will use Open source alternatives that respect that the users computers is theirs and not Microsoft computers.

If I go to your home and make a photo of everything and said:
It´s for your protection.
Will you believe ?
And you don´t have to know what I will do with this photos, if I say no, will you leave me doing even without your consentment if you don´t know what is going on?
Well, I can make a camping and shoot those photos without your consenment too, only to know what is in your home.
What´s the problem ?
If everyone has a general electric freezer and I have these infos, I will buy stock exchanges from G.E. , but if you use bosch freezers, I will buy Bosch instad of this.
I only want to collect informations about your home, not about you ...
I will only continue gaining money with your infomation.
And if you have an Nvidia instead of ATI ?

One way or another, if a legitimate user cancal the instalation, he will be validated the same way without any consentment, and he don´t know what information is going out.

Or will they say:
Does not mid to you. To use the software you have to pass this infos or nothing done. We will revocate your installation...

That´s what is happening silently.

I am causing panic amog users or it´s the fact that informations is being sent without consentment and knowledge ?

I know most of the users here is employees from Microsoft, Smilin is one of them, and defends his Microsoft job. This is his right. But to blind everyone´s eyes from what is happening telling that the information does not matter to anyone is more than what we can agree silently.

Send this information without user consentment and validate windows without knowledge of the user is cheat.

That´s is the fact.

If the site goes online again , I can translate what this site friend discovered sniffing his connection to see what´s going outside of his computer without consentment.

But, believe me , I want Microsoft to create more panic, and if possible, I really want that Microsoft shut down every pirated copy of their software. And sue everybody, sueing all of the entire world and getting Iris recognizing or DNA to validate genuine computer software.

If they want to put fire on circus, I will help them with gasoline.

Originally posted by: nerp
Haha, this guy. MS stealing stock tips. Riiiight.

Yet he's continuing to run windows.

It's like a smoker whining how hard it is to quit with a butt hanging from his mouth or an obese person complaining about their weight between huge mouthfuls of a hot fudge sundae.

Nope, My Kubuntu makes me happy everyday.

 

[stash]

I know most of the users here is employees from Microsoft, Smilin is one of them, and defends his Microsoft job.

Two users != "most"

The rest of your posts I can't understand.

 

[Canterwood]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
The genuine validation process will collect information about your system to determine if your Microsoft software is genuine. The validation tools do not collect your name, address, e-mail address, or any other information that Microsoft will use to identify you or contact you. The tools collect such information as:

* Computer make and model
* Version information for the operating system and software using Genuine Advantage
* Region and language setting
* A unique number assigned to your computer by the tools (Globally Unique Identifier or GUID)
* Product ID and product key
* BIOS name, revision number, and revision date
* Volume serial number
* Office product key (if validating Office)

In addition to the configuration information above, status information such as the following is also transferred:

* Whether the installation was successful
* The result of the validation check

As standard procedure, your Internet Protocol (IP) address is temporarily logged when your computer connects to a genuine validation website or server. These logs are routinely deleted.

don't create panic among users

Edit: http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx?displaylang=en

Why the fvck should MS collect details on your PC make and model, region or language setting and BIOS name, revision and number?

Surely to validate, ONLY the product ID and key need to be looked at.

 

[stash]

I'm guessing that the PC make and model and possibly BIOS info are gathered for the purposes of notifying an OEM that their Royalty key has been compromised.

The region and language stuff is probably for statistical purposes (what regions have the most results indicating counterfeit, etc).

Not sure why gathering that info bothers you, it isn't personally identifiable.

 

[BucNews]

Originally posted by: Canterwood

Originally posted by: Aberforth
The genuine validation process will collect information about your system to determine if your Microsoft software is genuine. The validation tools do not collect your name, address, e-mail address, or any other information that Microsoft will use to identify you or contact you. The tools collect such information as:

* Computer make and model
* Version information for the operating system and software using Genuine Advantage
* Region and language setting
* A unique number assigned to your computer by the tools (Globally Unique Identifier or GUID)
* Product ID and product key
* BIOS name, revision number, and revision date
* Volume serial number
* Office product key (if validating Office)

In addition to the configuration information above, status information such as the following is also transferred:

* Whether the installation was successful
* The result of the validation check

As standard procedure, your Internet Protocol (IP) address is temporarily logged when your computer connects to a genuine validation website or server. These logs are routinely deleted.

don't create panic among users

Edit: http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/FAQ.aspx?displaylang=en

Why the fvck should MS collect details on your PC make and model, region or language setting and BIOS name, revision and number?

Surely to validate, ONLY the product ID and key need to be looked at.

They need to know what computer that key has been used on. They need more than one "tie-in" or you would not be able to change hardware.

 

[greylica]

Don't create panic among users :|

Why the fvck should MS collect details on your PC make and model, region or language setting and BIOS name, revision and number?

Surely to validate, ONLY the product ID and key need to be looked at.

That´s what I´m telling you, they set the entire industry to serve as they slaves,
and if the hardware manufacturer put more cards to market than it´s permited, they will
sue them too.

In the other hands, they setupo a database to know what is the most used hardware and gain more and more money investing on them.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: greylica
Don't create panic among users :|

Why the fvck should MS collect details on your PC make and model, region or language setting and BIOS name, revision and number?

Surely to validate, ONLY the product ID and key need to be looked at.

That´s what I´m telling you, they set the entire industry to serve as they slaves,
and if the hardware manufacturer put more cards to market than it´s permited, they will
sue them too.

In the other hands, they setupo a database to know what is the most used hardware and gain more and more money investing on them.

BIOS and Computer model is required to validate OEM licenses. Volume serial number is used to create GUID. And country information is required to track piracy. Somehow i feel sorry for you though.

 

[Smilin]

Grelica, stay away from me and don't even mention my name. I'm sick of you.




leaving thread...

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Smilin
Grelica, stay away from me and don't even mention my name. I'm sick of you.

leaving thread...

Ignore him. Obviously he gets his fix from bashing Microsoft employees. IMO you should never have let it be known you work there because of all the MS haters. XP/Ubuntu dual boot here, it's a simple fact of life that Windows is sometimes necessary... and no personal information is being taken.

 

[Robor]

Please, not more Microsoft/Vista FUD.

Word of advice to ya greylica... You should stick to assisting Linux users rather than trying to convert Windows users. Your rants against Microsoft seriously undercut your 'cause'. You don't see stash or Smilin trashing non-Microsoft products do you?

 

[greylica]

OK, I have no problem with Smilin and stash, it's nothing personal. I will concentrate and put all of my efforts on every Linux help.
I guess people already know the way Microsoft is turning, and what I am doing is alerting them that the users are unsatisfied and they could change to what they was in 2000/2002.
( a honest enterprise, not cheating users with WGA, well, it's not my problem, it's MS problem and for the users of their software )

They can stop FUD too, look at Smilin signature:

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"teh only game yuo can palay on Lunix is 'catch teh monkey bannar ad.'" - JeffK

This is good as my signature tells the same about Windows crap.

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Free yourself and Barbarize, Blenderize.
Drugs are things you cannot share with people. ( It's ilegal and cause diseases )
Share Linux instead.


This is called hostility.
If they can change. I can change too.

But better is leave it all behind.

Ballmer and the rest of the people that atack Linux and Linux Users and Blame them only mind with money and control over users and don't mind with people freedom of choice.
They can tell to the entire MS that they have to stop the FUD and stay away from atacking Linux because they don't have any proof that can be used against Linux in front of a court.
Ballmer still didn't proove anything, and this implies that MS lies to the people about patents over Linux. We got the same pain after all.

Microsoft plagues their own FUD in users of their software. We will pass through it and survive happy without fear if they stop trying to intimidate Linux community forever.
We are a degree above Digital social exclusion with Linux. We can help to include people in the digital era without fear.

leaving thread...

 

[Nothinman]

I guess people already know the way Microsoft is turning, and what I am doing is alerting them that the users are unsatisfied and they could change to what they was in 2000/2002.

No, what you are doing is annoying the piss out of everyone.

They can stop FUD too, look at Smilin signature:

That's called a joke, lighten up.

 

[Kappo]

Until I am FORCED to buy something or install something, they are free to do whatever they choose with their software as far as I am concerned.