New video released of flotilla "peace activists" vs Israeli commandos

[theeedude]

No my point was the All-Israel-All-The-Time UN is antisemitic by virtue of singularly focusing on Israel while ignoring or not taking to task much greater atrocities not to mention morally bankrupt.

The only one twisted is you. You can't recognize a relentless aggressor is hamas along with their state sponsors. If you punch someone and he beats your ass you are guilty of assault not him. Likewise with Hamas' endless jihad, they are morally guilty not Israel for retaliation.

Israel is morally guilty of collective punishment of civilians. Can't escape it. I am for blockade of military goods, and even searching ships to verify this. But Israel is using excuse of preventing rocket shipments to knowingly and deliberately block shipments of civilian goods like food, medical equipment, and construction materials, including Gazan exports. That is designed to inflict maximum damage on Gazan civilian population, and is unacceptable in the modern world. Israel is morally guilty of this, this is not collateral damage, that is deliberate targeting of civilians. When they block import of toys, they are targeting children, not Hamas militants. That is who you are defending. That says a lot about your character.

 

[Attic]

Looks to me like the masks the peace activists were wearing came right off as soon as they started swinging what looked to be baseball sized lead pipes at the Isreals with an intent to do serious harm.

I guess violent people who claim they are "peace activists" should get a free pass on everything,...even being violent. We shouldn't search them for smuggling arms or assume an intent to harm because after all they are "peace activists". What a crock of cooked up Bullshit.

I don't fathom the reasoning for giving individuals who simply claim to be "peace activists" a get out of jail free card. Makes it way to easy for "peace activists" to do serious harm.

 

[Jaskalas]

You got nothing but personal attacks.

I am very angry over your comparison of Rosa Parks to Islamic terrorism.

 

[Zebo]

Israel is morally guilty of collective punishment of civilians. Can't escape it. I am for blockade of military goods, and even searching ships to verify this. But Israel is using excuse of preventing rocket shipments to knowingly and deliberately block shipments of civilian goods like food, medical equipment, and construction materials, including Gazan exports. That is designed to inflict maximum damage on Gazan civilian population, and is unacceptable in the modern world. Israel is morally guilty of this, this is not collateral damage, that is deliberate targeting of civilians. When they block import of toys, they are targeting children, not Hamas militants. That is who you are defending. That says a lot about your character.

First of all your list is propaganda bull. Israel has no "list" perse, but instead inspection officers treat everything imported case by case. They don't know before hand what could or could not be used in terror or munition making without seeing it. How would anyone know that except the basics like Sulfuric acid and TNT but not all possible vessels and instruments. You rely on Palestinian sources instead, who present wild claims which make no sense. Why would Israel who is materially feeding Gazans restrict innocuous stuff? Why not just restrict it all? And why Support feeding Gazans with their own tax money if their intent was to collectively punish them?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8654337.stm

You say you are for screening - How are you going to screen for just "military goods" when Hamas and their terrorist supporters want no inspections at all as evidenced by the resistance on the ships and what they have said? I'd like to see how that's done without allowing inspections of the ships. A manifest, faith, what?

 

[theeedude]

I am very angry over your comparison of Rosa Parks to Islamic terrorism.

I am very angry over your libeling delivering aid to civilians as Islamic terrorism. But you don't see me launch personal attacks at you.

 

[theeedude]

First of all your list is propaganda bull. Israel has no "list" perse, but instead inspection officers treat everything imported case by case. They don't know before hand what could or could not be used in terror or munition making without seeing it. How would anyone know that except the basics like Sulfuric acid and TNT but not all possible vessels and instruments. You rely on Palestinian sources instead, who present wild claims which make no sense. Why would Israel who is materially feeding Gazans restrict innocuous stuff? Why not just restrict it all? And why Support feeding Gazans with their own tax money if their intent was to collectively punish them?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8654337.stm

You say you are for screening - How are you going to screen for just "military goods" when Hamas and their terrorist supporters want no inspections at all as evidenced by the resistance on the ships and what they have said? I'd like to see how that's done without allowing inspections of the ships. A manifest, faith, what?

Right, they just don't know if coriander can be used as explosive or for rockets or not. LOL, that's your excuse?

 

[dali71]

Right, they just don't know if coriander can be used as explosive or for rockets or not. LOL, that's your excuse?

Instead of deflecting, why don't you actually answer his question?

You say you are for screening - How are you going to screen for just "military goods" when Hamas and their terrorist supporters want no inspections at all as evidenced by the resistance on the ships and what they have said? I'd like to see how that's done without allowing inspections of the ships. A manifest, faith, what?

 

[Zebo]

Right, they just don't know if coriander can be used as explosive or for rockets or not. LOL, that's your excuse?

Who said coriander was restricted? I guess it comes down to who you believe. I tend to trust a free and democratic country over Hamas totalitarian fundis who's charter calls for elimination of Israel and is willing to say or do anything to achieve those ends.

You didn't answer my questions. How will you screen for military hardware which can be used by terrorists running Gaza without bow to stern inspections?

 

[theeedude]

Who said coriander was restricted? I guess it comes down to who you believe. I tend to trust a free and democratic country over Hamas totalitarian fundis who's charter calls for elimination of Israel and is willing to say or do anything to achieve those ends.

You didn't answer my questions. How will you screen for military hardware which can be used by terrorists running Gaza without keel to stern inspections?

Israelis are not denying it either.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/it-s-time-for-real-disengagement-1.293671

The attempt to control Gaza from outside, via its residents' diet and shopping lists, casts a heavy moral stain on Israel and increases its international isolation. Every Israeli should be ashamed of the list of goods prepared by the Defense Ministry, which allows cinnamon and plastic buckets into Gaza, but not houseplants and coriander. It's time to find more important things for our officers and bureaucrats to do than update lists.

I have answered your question, if you read my posts. I am FINE with thorough inspections as long as it targets weapons, and all civilian trade is allowed through, and it is not used for collective punishment of civilian population as it is now.

 

[theeedude]

Instead of deflecting, why don't you actually answer his question?

Post #76,

I am for blockade of military goods, and even searching ships to verify this.

learn to read buddy.

 

[Jaskalas]

I am very angry over your libeling delivering aid to civilians as Islamic terrorism.

They are running a blockade and violently beating soldiers for Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization. The term civilian doesn't come to mind when aggressively using violence for terrorism.

 

[theeedude]

They are running a blockade and violently beating soldiers for Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization. The term civilian doesn't come to mind when aggressively using violence for terrorism.

Proof they were soldiers for Hamas?

 

[Zebo]

Israelis are not denying it either.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/it-s-time-for-real-disengagement-1.293671



I have answered your question, if you read my posts. I am FINE with thorough inspections as long as it targets weapons, and all civilian trade is allowed through, and it is not used for collective punishment of civilian population as it is now.

That's not Israel position. That's an author who happens to be Israeli how does that constitute "Israelis are not denying it either" - no one on the left or with hamas has produced this list. I linked a story that said there is no list it's case by case. You still refuse to answer the questions about motive. Why feed them at all if their MO was to collectively punish. Why pay for it and truck food, water, and other goods? Who has motive to lie about coriander to get blockade lifted in it's entirety so weapons can come flowing in?

 

[nick1985]

Post #76,


learn to read buddy.

How do they know if they are military goods without inspecting?

 

[theeedude]

That's not Israel position. That's an author who happens to be Israeli how does that constitute "Israelis are not denying it either" - no one on the left or with hamas has produced this list. I linked a story that said there is no list it's case by case. You still refuse to answer the questions about motive. Why feed them at all if their MO was to collectively punish. Why pay for it and truck food, water, and other goods? Who has motive to lie about coriander to get blockade lifted in it's entirety so weapons can come flowing in?

You are free to remain in denial. But those are some very good questions as to why Israel is doing all this stupidity when they could just implement a perfectly legitimate blockade of targeting only weapons. Israel should be the one to defend their motives, not me.

 

[theeedude]

How do they know if they are military goods without inspecting?

By learning to read?
Once again, especially for you:

I am for blockade of military goods, and even searching ships to verify this.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Even Alan Deshowitz, on HuffPo no less, claims it was legal: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/israels-actions-were-enti_b_596285.html