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New video editing PC advice

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penguin32

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Hi Guys,

I need to build a system whos most taxing job will be video editing. Nothing fancy on the video editing front just cropping out the rubbish and simple filtering. Would like the clips to load etc quicker than my current Athlon IIx2 3.0Ghz system with 4GB or mem. I do not want to be getting into fancy editing or software.

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1. What YOUR PC will be used for.
Internet, office, light photoshop work, video editing.

2. What YOUR budget is.
£600

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
UK

4. IF you're buying parts OUTSIDE the US, please post a link to the vendor you'll be buying from.
Aria Pc www.aria.co.uk
or Scans www.scan.co.uk

5. IF YOU have a brand preference.
No preference realy but sort of like Gigabyte MB

6. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts,
mouse, keyboard

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
No overclocking

8. What resolution,
1920x1200 (Planning to get a 24" Dell UltraSharp U2412M Widescreen IPS Monitor for £200 at the same time, not included in the £600 for this PC. Is this a good monitor?)

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Next week or so

X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system,
Win 7 64 bit

Looking at Aria site I have come up with the following but have to admit Haswells come along since I was last looking and I am more lost than usual. My memory choice is fairly random as well and probably should be 16GB.

GIGABYTE GA-B85M-HD3 Intel B85 £66.50
or
GIGABYTE GA-H87M-HD3 Intel H87 £71
Intel Core i5-4570 3.20GHz (Haswell) £154.79
8GB (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance Blue 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 £59.99
Cooler Master Elite 343 Black Micro-ATX Case £23.99
430W Corsair Builder Series 430CX 80PLUS Bronze Power Supply £34.97
2TB Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 3.5" SATA III Hard Drive - £64.79
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit DVD - OEM £65.99

Total so far £490.26

Suggestions, improvements and glaring errors pointed out welcome
Thanks in advance
 
£600 is alright for video editing as you will get by with integrated graphics. You'll want an SSD in that system for sure. Also it could be worth while to stay with Ivy Bridge as it's better performance for the money. Before continuing - can u say what video editing applications you plan to use?

(Planning to get a 24" Dell UltraSharp U2412M Widescreen IPS Monitor for £200 at the same time, not included in the £600 for this PC. Is this a good monitor?)
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Yep, that's good, though I wonder why you don't include it in the same budget if you're buying it at the same time. I.e. do you not have an overall budget of £800 incl. monitor?
 
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Hi lehtv

thanks for the reply
As you say £800 total budget i guess.

Software, so far i have just been using HD writer that came with the Panasonic HDC-SD80 i was given a year ago. Also tried Win Movie maker.
What has prompted this build is the need to sort out the video i have shot in the last year and getting knowhere fast with my current Pc. I am open to suggestions regarding software as well but want to keep it fairly simple like me.

I use the video as reference material for painting, i try to make a living as an artist painting wildlife.
 
Regarding the software, they probably won't really benefit from an i7 and hyperthreading. So stick to i5. You'd have to be using professional tools like Vegas or Adobe Premiere.

Here's what I'd build, assuming the U2412M monitor

i5-4570 £157, with HD4600 graphics
Asus B85M-G £61
2x4GB 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance-LP £50
Samsung 840 120GB SSD £75
Seagate ST2000DM001 £68 (high performance but 1 year warranty and somewhat noisy) or WD Caviar Green 2TB £70 (runs quiet, and fast enough for any video storage duty)
Lite-On DVDRW £13
Seasonic G360 80+ Gold £48
Fractal Design Arc Mini £60, incl. 3 fans and a fan controller (set all to low)

Total = £532. Since you have some budget left you can consider two things

1. CM GeminII SF524 topflow cooler £32 - use the included cable to set it to constant 900RPM, this will make the CPU cooler almost inaudible even when churning away at encoding a video. You could make it even quieter with this Akasa 5V cable £4.
2. 2x8GB RAM (+£50), though if you think your current video editing projects don't use that much RAM, just get 2x4GB and upgrade later if needed. The motherboard has four DIMM slots.
 
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Thanks or the proposed build spec, looks good, wiil have a good look at the detail tonight.
Need to Include Win 7 in the budget though so the extras may be on hold

Thanks again
 
Oh right, forgot about the OS. Just add that and you're at £600 😛. FWIW i would rather have the £60 case than a cheap case and a quiet cooler

Another option is to buy a cheaper monitor like U2312HM which is basically 2412M with 120 vertical pixels chopped off.
 
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I think I like the idea of the slightly squarer screen, the 1920x1080 are a bit letter box shape for general office and photo work though i guess they are HD video shape.
Are coolmaster a reasonable case maker, I already have another machine in 'Cooler Master Elite 343 Black Micro-ATXa' which seems fine, the Fractal Design Arc Mini microATX seems quite a bit larger or is the extra space better for cooling?
 
CoolerMaster's Elite series are definitely on the cheaper end of the spectrum. They're generally serviceable, but without any frills whatsoever. The lower-end Fractal cases are better quality, but not by a huge margin.
 
Arc Mini is indeed pretty large for a microATX case and yes, it allows better cooling. There's a 120mm slot on the rear, many microATX cases are narrower and have a 92mm rear slot. The front holds two 120mm fans, most microATX cases hold only one. The top slots support 140mm fans, many microATX cases only have none or only one, and that one is almost always 120mm. And there are also bottom and side fan locations but you're probably never going to need to use them.

It's more advanced in pretty much every way compared to CM's Elite series cases, but of course CM cases also get the job done. All that a case really needs to do is house the components safely and securely.
 
Ok here is what i plan to get, I think

would the
430w-corsair-builder-series-cmpsu-430cxv2uk-80plus-bronze £38
be a bad choice compaired to?
Seasonic G360 80+ Gold £48

24-dell-u2412m-ips-led-monitor £199
i5-4570 £157, with HD4600 graphics
Asus B85M-G £61
2x4GB 1600MHz Corsair Vengeance-LP £50
Samsung 840 120GB SSD £75
WD Caviar Green 2TB £70 (runs quiet, and fast enough for any video storage duty)
Lite-On DVDRW £13
Cooler+Master+Elite+342+Black+Micro-ATX £25 (instead of Fractal Design Arc Mini £60 ( I have a CM and it does the job and is compact))
microsoft-windows-7-home-premium-64-bit £70
icy-box-ib-351stu3-b-aluminium-enclosure £22 for my existing 2TB HD, as a data backup

Total £780
 
penguin32 said:
would the
430w-corsair-builder-series-cmpsu-430cxv2uk-80plus-bronze £38
be a bad choice compaired to?
Seasonic G360 80+ Gold £48
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I think it would. £38 is a bit too much for a CX430, I would not pay more than £30 for it. The Seasonic unit has better capacitors, quite a bit higher efficiency, and being a relatively high end Seasonic instead of a lower end Corsair CX, it should also be somewhat more reliable (which is not to say the CX is unreliable). The higher efficiency means lower noise and cooler operation, and it should bridge much of that £10 difference during its time in your PC.

The rest look great
 
Yeah, you do. I'd get this.

It's not entirely necessary though, an SSD has no moving parts so as long as you don't move your PC around, it's fine to just leave it on the floor of the case. Or you can mount it using some tape or a velcro strap
 
Got the bits today, put it together and looks good, even booted first time!
Will report on overall satisfaction once completely configured.

However before I go loading all my extra software onto it i would like to figure out if my existing method of cloning and restoring images will work for the new SSD.
On my old Pc Win7 etc lives on a 80Gb HDD and I use clonezilla in a fairly ham fisted way to make Images to a larger USB external HDD. These images I can then restore if things get messed up or I want to go back a step in time, say to eradicate some newly loaded software I am unhappy with. This has always worked perfectly as long as i dont get my tos amd froms mixed up.
Will Clonezilla work the same way with my new SSD and external USB HDD, I have heard talk of alignment problems etc.
 
If you are cloning from the SSD, the resulting image will have all of the alignment information in it. It'll get put back the same way when you clone back to the SSD.
 
I have that monitor, and I too find it to be extremely pleasing. I'd argue it's one of the best purchases that I've ever made...

I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're doing with the cloning. Are you planning on cloning your old windows install FROM the HDD TO the new SSD? Or are you asking if your current back-up method will work once you have the SSD set up?
 
PANIC!

but first
Hi Essence
100% agree on the monitor, excellent bit of kit.
On the cloning front I was asking if my old backup method will work once the SSD is set up. I think it will but the new system has given me real grief today.

Either the 360w-seasonic-psu-g-360-80-plus-gold
has died or is not up to powering the above built system.

What happened?

I had loaded win7, mb drivers ,avg, comodo firewall, 107 windows updates, etc.
I was then trying to make a backup clone to an external USB HDD using clonezilla. But the whole system kept shutting/powering down once it started writing the image, tried a few times. A bit of messing around ensued. Eventually the system would not even post, it went into a cycle of trying to power up, gave a febble beep and would die again, and again.
I tried just one stick of mem, disconnected and then changed the DVD drive but same story.

I then swapped out the PSU for the one in my other machine, a 500w NRP-VC503 which claims to have a bit more juice, but I dont know what the quality is like.

That got it all up and running smoothly, reloaded software from scratch and then made a cloned image to the external USB HDD and then restored it to the SSD and I am now on line writing this.

what I would like help with is the 360w-seasonic-psu-g-360-80-plus-gold. Is it actually up to powering this machine? but I got a dud or do i need a bigger replacement?

All I can say is when it first shutdown while trying to make an image it felt like the system was under as much load as it had ever been, DVD whizzing loudly as they do etc. When I eventually stuck the 500w PSU in it sounded more powerful, stronger fan startup and louder beep.

Do I RMA the seasonic and risk the same again or upgrade the PSU to something a bit bigger. Trouble is I dont know if it has failed, or is not up to job. And I do not want to stick it in another good machine to test it.

Thanks in advance for help

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/360w-seasonic-psu-g-360-80-plus-gold-12cm-silent-fan-dc-dchttp://
 
There's no possibility of it not being powerful enough, your PC uses less than 100 watts [edit: average. Peak is probably closer to 150W but still less than half of what the PSU is capable of]. It seems like you just got a faulty unit. It happens, but it's annoying. RMA should fix that.
 
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Hi lehtv
I ran the components through a PSU calculator and came up with a Min power of 162w recomended supply of 220w so as you said it should be well up to it, looks like its RMA time.
 
Ok , PSU 360w-seasonic-psu-g-360-80-plus-gold RMA'd and replacement installed and working fine now.

Now i am having problems getting this new pc to drive dell-u2412m-ips-led-monitor at 1920x1200 through my KVM switch. I am using the cpu intergrated graphics.

My two old pcs (both AMD one running win7) will run at 1920x1200 through the KVM and happily switch between machines. However this new build will not run at 1920x1200 through the KVM. It does work fine without the switch, auto detects monitor and allows you to set 1920x1200. With the KVM it does not detect the monitor, defaults to Intel(R)HD Graphics driver which will only allow you to go as far as 1920x1080. I have checked for new drivers etc.

Any Ideas
 
I would post that on Intel's forums as well as the switch manufacturer's forums if they exist. But first search if other people have had the same issue with your switch and/or GPU
 
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