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NetZeroZeus

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Which would be better, the x800 or the 6800nu?
In AGP version that is...
I heard that the 6800nu's 4 remaining pipes can be easily unlocked with RivaTuner or something of the sort...although from benchmarks I have seen, the 6600gt is a lot faster than the 6800nu at stock, and the x800 is faster thazn that...
I would think that you could stand to gain 25% performance by unlocking 4 pipes, then oc'ing to get 20% more...is this realistic?
And it seems that even with the x800 you could just oc it and it would be faster than the 6800nu with all pipes enabled...although I'm not sure on this, I need clarifications...
I am also eyeing the x800pro VIVO, as I hear that with a BIOS flash you mod it to an X800XTPE...although I would like someone that knows to give me input on this, and remember, only for AGP models....
 
the new x800pro vivo ones for sale all need to be hardmodded(take off hs/f, clean off TIM, use a conductive pen to connect 2 halves of 1 laser cut dot) and then 75% of the time, it will turn into a x800xt.

6800 can softmod 50% of the time, but even stock is faster than 6600gt when aa is turned on or at higher resolutions

6600gt is ok. core does not have much headroom for ocing(550 average) and memory ocs tend to vary(usually around 1100 but some get 1200)

x800 are still not at msrp right?
 
It seems fairly easy to **** it all up, plus it seems that sometimes the other 4 pipes are defective and then you have a paperweight......unless you could lasercut it again and reflash using a PCI card......
What is the msrp for the x800 anyway?
 
Originally posted by: mwmorph
the new x800pro vivo ones for sale all need to be hardmodded(take off hs/f, clean off TIM, use a conductive pen to connect 2 halves of 1 laser cut dot) and then 75% of the time, it will turn into a x800xt.

6800 can softmod 50% of the time, but even stock is faster than 6600gt when aa is turned on or at higher resolutions

6600gt is ok. core does not have much headroom for ocing(550 average) and memory ocs tend to vary(usually around 1100 but some get 1200)

x800 are still not at msrp right?
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you're backwards. 6600gt's faster memory allows it to run aa/af better than a 6800. the 6800 can play higher resolutions. and the gt can overclock much higher than 550 on average.
 
examples of oc?

as for memory, you are wrong my frind.
both have the same amount of memory so do the math
1000mhz X 128bit bus< 700mhz X 256bit bus
the 6600gt would need 1.4ghz to match the 6800's bandwith.
 
Originally posted by: NetZeroZeus
Is there any difference between this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150102

And this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150091

Other than one is PCI-e and the other is AGP?
Because I have seen for most cards AGP is more expensive than AGP, why is it the other way around here?
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more supply of agp.

btw, xfx is the least reliable brand in existance. avoid it like a 1 legged man from an a55 kicking contest.

top teir
BFG/EVGA
Great
Asus/Leadtek
Good
MSI
Average
Rosewill
Bad
PNY
DEATH
XFX
 
I am thinking that the 6800gt will outperform all thother cards in that same pricerange.. Since the 6800gt's competitor was the x800 pro, and we all know the 6800gt is faster, now it's the x800xl, and the 6800gt is cheaper, $25 less than x800xl on agp, so I will have to see if I can shell out the cash for it....
Do you think it will provide me with the best bang for my buck?
Ok, from what you said, I think I will go with the 6800GT Leadtek, only the cooler is really ugly, I will replace it anyway, which cooler is recommendable for best oc'ing performance?
 
try another brand though. seriously. search xfx sucks in archived articles. xfx has the most problems per card out of any manufacturer.
 
Ok, it seems you are right, it says they artifact right out of the box, so the Leadtek is better, which cooler should I put on it?
 
Well, my 6600GT can't go any higher than 550 for the core...My memory started out at 900, so going to 1050 was not too bad.

Whats wrong with the cooler on the leadtek? The one it comes with should give you good performance. You can always get the eVGA card if you want a smaller hsf, but the Leadtek heatsink looks like it performs a lot better. You can get an Arctic Cooling NV Silencer 5, but it probably won't perform a while lot better.
 
Originally posted by: NetZeroZeus
Ok, it seems you are right, it says they artifact right out of the box, so the Leadtek is better, which cooler should I put on it?
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there are good artic silencers for the 6xxx series but support is crap from artic cooling. also, it is a 2 slot design so it takes a pci slot under the pcie or agp slot.(most aftermarket coolers are like this.

Artic Cooling NV Silencer 5?
no link but it's pretty good

ZALMAN VF700-ALCU 2 Ball VGA COOLER - Retail(huge lighter than the 2nd model but dosent cool as well)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118116

ZALMAN VF700-CU 2 Ball VGA COOLER - Retail (huge, heavy all copper cools very well)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835118117

btw, the stock leadtek cooler is very good at cooling, a bit loud though.
 
It looks like it cools well, only that it's really ugly and I am aiming to get best performance possible...
Even though I will be a bit CPU limited right now...I have an XP-M 2600+ running at 2.5.....which is around the same, actually a bit more than 3000+ Newcastles, but next year I am going to get a A64 system, with an nForce3 Ultra, I am usually at the trailing edge of technology, maybe a Venice 3500+.....
 
Also, is there any advantage to getting a eVGA card to a Leadtek card?
In terms of quality, is one more likely to break than the other? Does one use higher quality components? Does the use of those said higher quality components allow for higher overclockability?
 
I would go with Leadtek. They are one of nVidia's best partners. I had a Leadtek Ti4400 that ran perfectly. I'm running a Leadtek 6800GT now that OCs well past Ultra levels. (Can almost do 450 on core with a .1 volt mod.) And sitting in my closet: a beautiful Leadtek 7800GTX that is waiting for my 3700+ Sandy to arrive.

Leadtek > Everyone else
 
Originally posted by: NetZeroZeus
Also, is there any advantage to getting a eVGA card to a Leadtek card?
In terms of quality, is one more likely to break than the other? Does one use higher quality components? Does the use of those said higher quality components allow for higher overclockability?
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when this question is asked, you ar asking about minuaties almost no one knows about such as which company uses higher quality caps? In general, all 6800gts overclock very well and the ocs should be similar between the two.
 
Originally posted by: mwmorph
examples of oc?

as for memory, you are wrong my frind.
both have the same amount of memory so do the math
1000mhz X 128bit bus< 700mhz X 256bit bus
the 6600gt would need 1.4ghz to match the 6800's bandwith.
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the 6600gt uses gddr3 memory and the 6800 doesn't. i WIN.
 
Originally posted by: johnnqq
Originally posted by: mwmorph
examples of oc?

as for memory, you are wrong my frind.
both have the same amount of memory so do the math
1000mhz X 128bit bus< 700mhz X 256bit bus
the 6600gt would need 1.4ghz to match the 6800's bandwith.
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the 6600gt uses gddr3 memory and the 6800 doesn't. i WIN.
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do yuo even know what GDDR3 means?

(G)eneration (D)ouble (D)ata (R)ate (3) is a variation of GDDR and GDDR2 promoted by ATI. It fixes the high power consumption and thermal dissapation of GDDR2 and gets rid of some DRAM Protocols that are not being used.

the 6600gt has 75-50% pixel pipes(depending on unlocking of 6800)
60-50% the vertex shaders(depending on unlocking of 6800)
50% the memory bus bandwith
the only thing it has better is 142% the memory speed and 154% GPU speed.
stock they are about equal.Though, the 6800 has better shader optomizations hardware wise.

Now the 6600gt is a horrible ocer due to already high speeds pushing the envelope pushing the barrier already so 550/1100 is about average. The 6800gt, though is much less pushed being the 2nd lowest card in the top tier of cores for that gen(the 6600gt is the top card of the lower tier core of that gen). Ocs are routinely reported to be 400/800 and more even with pipes unlocked.

lets do the math after some average ocing
the 6600gt has 75-50% pixel pipes
60-50% the vertex shaders
50% the memory bus bandwith
the only thing it has better is 135% the memory speed and 137% GPU speed.

the 6600gt has no where enough to compensate.
 
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