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New Vid card on a old mobo? can it work?

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RaisinLoVe800

Junior Member
Hi, I recently bought a Forsa GeForce fx 5200 ultra and I wanted to install it on my old system to give it a little boost but after trying to boot up my computer with the card in place, I get a beep code that my motherboard manual translates into a video error where the bios cannot initialize the video screen to display any additionnal information. When I bought the card, I read it was backwards compatible with 4x AGP boards which my motherboard has. I also made sure it was compatible with Windows 98se. These are my computer specs:

PIII 800mhz
Tyan Trinity s1854 Trinity 400
256mb pc133 sdram
Voodoo 5 5500 (trying to transfer it for the 5200 ultra)
SoundBlaster live value
30 gig IBM Deskstar @ 7200rpm

Is there anything I should make sure to check for the installation or is this gpu/mobo combo not compatible at all?


Thank you
 
I don't know anything about that mobo or that GeForce card.

I can tell you that I tried to replace my V5 5500 with a ATI 9800 Pro on a BE-6 II (440BX) and in order to do it I had to underclock my P3 933 to 700 megs (7x100).

Is that P3 800 running at 6 x 133 megs? If so, maybe you could underclock it to 600 megs (6 x an FSB speed of 100) and see what it does.

I may be way off base here.
 
It should work. But if you had an older video card and a newer board it probably wouldn't work. The BX chipset never officially supported an FSB of 133 so that may be a problem. I'm too lazy to look up what chipset you have, but I'm pretty sure you should be ok.

Also, does your new card need extra power to it? And did you have any problems with the AGP notches? Do you manually have to select AGP voltage?
 
It doesnt need extra power. I didn't have problems with the AGP notches. How can I check if I have to manually set my AGP voltage?
 
I had an email conversation with a Tyan tech rep and here's what he said:

Ian,

Thats because the box information has to apply to every product that was
every made by any manufacturer of motherboards. If it didn't you wouldn't
buy the product.

The S1854 was designed over 5 years ago and these type of cards were not
even envisioned at this period. These cards require much different
tolerances and power than cards that were available around the time it was
an active product.

The same reason why Playstation, Nintendo or Sega comes out with a brand new
product every 3 years is the same reason why motherboards also have to
constantly come out with new products.

Make sure to include all previous emails to ensure a complete history of the
issue or problem.

> ----------
> From: Ian Ligari[SMTP:soilworker_334@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 PM
> To: Tech6
> Subject: RE: Tyan trinity 400 and Forsa Geforce fx 5200 ultra
> compatibility
>
> Why do the system requirements on the video cards box indicate
> P4/III/II/Celeron, AthlonXp/K6 or compatible with AGP 4x/8X universal
> slot.
> Isn't the trinity 400 compatible with AGP 4X?
>
>
> >From: Tech6 <Tech6@tyan.com>
> >To: 'Ian Ligari' <soilworker_334@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: RE: Tyan trinity 400 and Forsa Geforce fx 5200 ultra
> compatibility
> >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:32:13 -0700
> >
> >Ian,
> >
> >That card is simply too much for this product to be able to use
> correctly.
> >You would need to update your motherboard to a P4 solution in order to
> take
> >advantage of such a product.
> >
> >Make sure to include all previous emails to ensure a complete history of
> >the
> >issue or problem.
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From: Ian Ligari[SMTP:soilworker_334@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:45 PM
> > > To: Tech Support
> > > Subject: Tyan trinity 400 and Forsa Geforce fx 5200 ultra
> > > compatibility
> > >
> > > I have tried to install a Geforce fx 5200 ultra 128mb video card on
> this
> > > computer:
> > >
> > > Tyan Trinity 400
> > > PIII 800 mhz
> > > 256 mb pc133 sdram
> > > Sound Blaster live value
> > >
> > > All I get on bootup is the long beep plus the three short ones
> > >
> > > Is it compatible at all? If so what should I do to make it work?

Does this guy know anything at all about his own motherboards? Is he trying to fool me into buying a new mobo?
 
Originally posted by: RaisinLoVe800
It doesnt need extra power. I didn't have problems with the AGP notches. How can I check if I have to manually set my AGP voltage?
Click to expand...

uuuuuuhh...I'm looking at pics of your card on Ebay right now and they all need a external power supply...
Oh duh I'm sorry, I don't know what I was thinking.
 
The motherboard you have is based on the VIA Apollo Pro 133A chipset. Many boards based on this chipset were not AGP 2.0 spec compliant, thus have trouble using graphics cards that required AGP 4x/ AGP 2.0 spec. I checked my old MSI-6309 based on the same chipset as yours and the AGP slot is only 1.0, to further test this I swapped in my Ti4600 out of my P4 i845E based system and it wouldn't post. The best solution would be a motherboard upgrade because it is higly likely that no AGP2.0 or AGP 3.0 spec card will run poperly if at all on your current board
 
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