New trick boosts volume of spam, strains Internet, experts warn

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http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050206/BUSINESS/502060336/1040


Bulk e-mail senders target Internet service providers

BY JONATHAN KRIM
The Washington Post


February 6, 2005

WASHINGTON -- A new spamming technique could push the volume of unwanted e-mail to new heights in coming months, straining the online communication system, say several experts who monitor the activity of spam gangs around the world.

Illegal bulk-mailers have been able to deploy massive blasts of spam by routing it through the computers of their Internet service providers, rather than sending it directly from individual machines, the experts said.

The result is that "blacklists" of known spamming computers -- which other network operators rely upon to block mail from those machines -- no longer are effective. To block spam coming directly from an ISP's computers, all mail from that ISP would be have to be blocked, which would cripple electronic communication.

"From what we've seen, the volumes of this type of spam are going up dramatically," said Steve Linford, who heads the Spamhaus Project, the world's top anti-spam organization. "We're really looking at a bleak thing" if ISPs do not quickly employ countermeasures, he said.




Linford said that based on monitoring of spammers' online discussion forums, the new trick is rapidly being adopted by the world's most prolific spammers.

Carl Hutzler, director of anti-spam operations at America Online, said that he began seeing increases in spam traffic coming directly from other ISP mail servers in the fall of 2003. Now, he said, 95 percent of all spam aimed at AOL's 29 million worldwide members is coming directly from ISP computers.

Hutzler said he has been warning industry counterparts about the problem and has made AOL's technical solutions available online. Most critically, Linford and Hutzler said, ISPs must be more aggressive in monitoring and limiting how much mail is being sent from individual machines on their networks, since that is where the spam originates.

"We're trying to get the word out," Hutzler said, "but we're not sure that people have taken us that seriously."

Spammers long ago stopped using their own machines to send spam. Instead, they rely on code placed on consumers' machines via viruses or spyware that turn them into unwitting "zombies" remotely controlled by spammers.

That and other tactics have allowed spammers to circumvent many measures taken by network operators to thwart them, and they have all but ignored federal and state laws that prohibit their activities.

Mark Sunner, chief technology officer of MessageLabs Inc., an anti-spam software company, said that the use of multiple zombies on large ISPs allows spammers to spread out the amount of mail sent by any one computer, helping them fly under the radar of ISP limits.

Some ISPs have been able to make dents in the amount of spam reaching the inboxes of computer users, but spam traffic over the Internet continues to rise and to exact steep costs on network operators, businesses and consumers.

In a study released Thursday, market research firm Rockbridge Associates Inc. and the Center for Excellence in Service at the University of Maryland Robert H. Smith School of Business estimated that deleting spam costs nearly $22 billion per year in lost productivity. The study, based on a survey of 1,000 adults, said the 78 percent who said they receive spam spend an average of three minutes deleting it each day they check their e-mail.

 

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Originally posted by: TallBill
http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050206/BUSINESS/502060336/1040


Bulk e-mail senders target Internet service providers

BY JONATHAN KRIM
The Washington Post


February 6, 2005

WASHINGTON -- A new spamming technique could push the volume of unwanted e-mail to new heights in coming months, straining the online communication system, say several experts who monitor the activity of spam gangs around the world.

Illegal bulk-mailers have been able to deploy massive blasts of spam by routing it through the computers of their Internet service providers, rather than sending it directly from individual machines, the experts said.

The result is that "blacklists" of known spamming computers -- which other network operators rely upon to block mail from those machines -- no longer are effective. To block spam coming directly from an ISP's computers, all mail from that ISP would be have to be blocked, which would cripple electronic communication.

"From what we've seen, the volumes of this type of spam are going up dramatically," said Steve Linford, who heads the Spamhaus Project, the world's top anti-spam organization. "We're really looking at a bleak thing" if ISPs do not quickly employ countermeasures, he said.




Linford said that based on monitoring of spammers' online discussion forums, the new trick is rapidly being adopted by the world's most prolific spammers.

Carl Hutzler, director of anti-spam operations at America Online, said that he began seeing increases in spam traffic coming directly from other ISP mail servers in the fall of 2003. Now, he said, 95 percent of all spam aimed at AOL's 29 million worldwide members is coming directly from ISP computers.

Hutzler said he has been warning industry counterparts about the problem and has made AOL's technical solutions available online. Most critically, Linford and Hutzler said, ISPs must be more aggressive in monitoring and limiting how much mail is being sent from individual machines on their networks, since that is where the spam originates.

"We're trying to get the word out," Hutzler said, "but we're not sure that people have taken us that seriously."

Spammers long ago stopped using their own machines to send spam. Instead, they rely on code placed on consumers' machines via viruses or spyware that turn them into unwitting "zombies" remotely controlled by spammers.

That and other tactics have allowed spammers to circumvent many measures taken by network operators to thwart them, and they have all but ignored federal and state laws that prohibit their activities.

Mark Sunner, chief technology officer of MessageLabs Inc., an anti-spam software company, said that the use of multiple zombies on large ISPs allows spammers to spread out the amount of mail sent by any one computer, helping them fly under the radar of ISP limits.

Some ISPs have been able to make dents in the amount of spam reaching the inboxes of computer users, but spam traffic over the Internet continues to rise and to exact steep costs on network operators, businesses and consumers.

In a study released Thursday, market research firm Rockbridge Associates Inc. and the Center for Excellence in Service at the University of Maryland Robert H. Smith School of Business estimated that deleting spam costs nearly $22 billion per year in lost productivity. The study, based on a survey of 1,000 adults, said the 78 percent who said they receive spam spend an average of three minutes deleting it each day they check their e-mail.

Something more has to be done - you can have a law but if you don't enforce it, or actively try to stop the lawbreakers, then it is a crappy deterrent.
 

Zebo

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The way I got my email setup is if thier not in my address book, it get'automatically deleted. I find I get 1 or 2 email a day this way... If I could only control the post office this way. I've gotten enough paper junk mail to sink a battleship.

LAW? sounds like it would have to be unconsititutional. People need to be responsible for proper filtering, not yet another agentcy and resitriction of rights.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Zebo
The way I got my email setup is if thier not in my address book, it get'automatically deleted. I find I get 1 or 2 email a day this way... If I could only control the post office this way. I've gotten enough paper junk mail to sink a battleship.

LAW? sounds like it would have to be unconsititutional. People need to be responsible for proper filtering, not yet another agentcy and resitriction of rights.

That doesn't work for all scenarios. Say I have visit a webforum and make my email public, and enjoy contact from other users.. this cant happen if you filter to strong.

Or perhaps I run a website, and enjoy contact from visitors.

Or countless other reasons to accept mail from multiple sources that I dont know of.
 

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I posted an article earlier this week that mentioned spam costs US business $22 Billion per year in lost productivity! :Q
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Zebo
The way I got my email setup is if thier not in my address book, it get'automatically deleted. I find I get 1 or 2 email a day this way... If I could only control the post office this way. I've gotten enough paper junk mail to sink a battleship.

LAW? sounds like it would have to be unconsititutional. People need to be responsible for proper filtering, not yet another agentcy and resitriction of rights.

That doesn't work for all scenarios. Say I have visit a webforum and make my email public, and enjoy contact from other users.. this cant happen if you filter to strong.

Or perhaps I run a website, and enjoy contact from visitors.

Or countless other reasons to accept mail from multiple sources that I dont know of.

Sure it works. That's why most commerical site today are smart enough to setup java email forms like this:
http://www.abit-usa.com/support/techsupport.php

with blind/invalid return.
 

Zebo

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Or countless other reasons to accept mail from multiple sources that I dont know of.
I posted an article earlier this week that mentioned spam costs US business $22 Billion per year in lost productivity!

Sounds like a business opportunity then. Figure out how to filter the spam, sell product to businesses. 22 billion dollar market is huge.

But restricting free speech and commerce is no way to live in America ..

Maybe they should charge 1 cent per email from orginating ISP, after all bandwidth costs money and is a private asset..this would eliminate probably 99.9% of spam.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Or countless other reasons to accept mail from multiple sources that I dont know of.
I posted an article earlier this week that mentioned spam costs US business $22 Billion per year in lost productivity!

Sounds like a business opportunity then. Figure out how to filter the spam, sell product to businesses. 22 billion dollar market is huge.

But restricting free speech and commerce is no way to live in America

How about the "do not call" lists which are spread throughout the nation? This is a very similar situation.

How about "do not e-mail" lists?

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Zebo
Or countless other reasons to accept mail from multiple sources that I dont know of.
I posted an article earlier this week that mentioned spam costs US business $22 Billion per year in lost productivity!

Sounds like a business opportunity then. Figure out how to filter the spam, sell product to businesses. 22 billion dollar market is huge.

But restricting free speech and commerce is no way to live in America

How about the "do not call" lists which are spread throughout the nation? This is a very similar situation.

How about "do not e-mail" lists?

Unconsitutional.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Zebo
Or countless other reasons to accept mail from multiple sources that I dont know of.
I posted an article earlier this week that mentioned spam costs US business $22 Billion per year in lost productivity!

Sounds like a business opportunity then. Figure out how to filter the spam, sell product to businesses. 22 billion dollar market is huge.

But restricting free speech and commerce is no way to live in America

How about the "do not call" lists which are spread throughout the nation? This is a very similar situation.

How about "do not e-mail" lists?

Unconsitutional.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Ok, so how does the no-call list exist? I dont see how its unconstitutional anyways. We should just send in commandos to knock out spammers.
 

magomago

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Gvoernment should NOT step into this. I don't like ANY government regulation of the internet period, even if we want it to benefit us.
 

Zebo

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Ok, so how does the no-call list exist?
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Because congress passes unconstitutional stuff every day scum they are.

Look at the patriot act which SC is just beginning to poke holes in.
http://www.thehilltoponline.com/news/20...ct.Ruled.Unconstitutional-600213.shtml

Fast Tract
http://www.restoringamerica.org/archive...itution/fastrack_unconstitutional.html

Shoot there's a million examples.





I dont see how its unconstitutional anyways. We should just send in commandos to knock out spammers.
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I'm not suprised. Most Americans are clueless and simply follow like Sheep what their masters say. Review the notorious Obedience Experiments of Stanley Milgram who demonstrated repeatedly that most people will commit lethal violence on others merely because they are told to do so by someone in authority reguarless of law..and see/understand why would rob and imprison 500,000 Japanese Americans..Massacre unarmed college students at Kent State ..etc. etc etc If they don't think cold-blooded murder is wrong how can we expect them to understand and uphold the Constitution?
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Ok, so how does the no-call list exist?
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Because congress passes unconstitutional stuff every day scum they are.

Look at the patriot act which SC is just beginning to poke holes in.
http://www.thehilltoponline.com/news/20...ct.Ruled.Unconstitutional-600213.shtml

Fast Tract
http://www.restoringamerica.org/archive...itution/fastrack_unconstitutional.html

Shoot there's a million examples.





I dont see how its unconstitutional anyways. We should just send in commandos to knock out spammers.
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I'm not suprised. Most Americans are clueless and simply follow like Sheep what their masters say. Review the notorious Obedience Experiments of Stanley Milgram who demonstrated repeatedly that most people will commit lethal violence on others merely because they are told to do so by someone in authority reguarless of law..and see/understand why would rob and imprison 500,000 Japanese Americans..Massacre unarmed college students at Kent State ..etc. etc etc If they don't think cold-blooded murder is wrong how can we expect them to understand and uphold the Constitution?

I was just kidding moron.. set down the latte and ipod and think for yourself for a minute.

 

Engineer

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Freedom of speech doesn't cover everything. If it did, the FCC would be out of business. It would seem that items "inside" the home such as television, telephone, PC, etc. have limitations or are part of the "privacy" factor since they are indeed inside your private residence and the person on the other end is not speaking directly to you.

It's all fuzzy as to what's OK and what's not.

dunno...but the no call list is real and I wouldn't mind to see a no-spam list.
 

sandorski

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Time to fire up Skynet and let it fix the problem. Just ive the Public 48hrs to buy a bat(or something similar), just in case Toaster Ovens start acting funny. ;)

 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Time to fire up Skynet and let it fix the problem. Just ive the Public 48hrs to buy a bat(or something similar), just in case Toaster Ovens start acting funny. ;)

Just unplug computer and go fishing... think I will today.:) (leave my cell phone behind too)
 

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If the ISP of spam generators get blocked, it may encourage the ISPs to crack down.
If not, then anyone who wants the junk can accept it.

Change ISPs according to ones preference if you are being filtered and do not like to be.
 

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do not e-mail lists?
These guys don't obey the laws as it is, you give them a list full of addresses, they will all start getting more spam!
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: flamingelephant
do not e-mail lists?
These guys don't obey the laws as it is, you give them a list full of addresses, they will all start getting more spam!

Until there is a law with teeth that the average scam receiver can invoke quickly, the do-not lists can easly be found away around.

All it seems is to setup a shop outside the US. Then you do not have to provide a "do-not" and are also outside the reach of the law.

 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: flamingelephant
do not e-mail lists?
These guys don't obey the laws as it is, you give them a list full of addresses, they will all start getting more spam!

Until there is a law with teeth that the avergae scam receiver can invoke quickly, the do-not lists can easly be found a away around.

All it seems is to setup a shop outside the US. Then you do not have to provide a "do-not" and are also outside the reach of the law.

The problem isn't the law. These people are already breaking it. The problem is that it's difficult to find them. We don't know where they are.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: flamingelephant
do not e-mail lists?
These guys don't obey the laws as it is, you give them a list full of addresses, they will all start getting more spam!

Until there is a law with teeth that the avergae scam receiver can invoke quickly, the do-not lists can easly be found a away around.

All it seems is to setup a shop outside the US. Then you do not have to provide a "do-not" and are also outside the reach of the law.

The problem isn't the law. These people are already breaking it. The problem is that it's difficult to find them. We don't know where they are.

The origination IP can be tracked down by the average joe, if they are provided with a tool (possibly from their ISP).

The problem is jurisdiction and expediency.
The current law is only applicable to the US.
And if the spammer is US based, then can the existing law be triggered into a $$ penaly quickly and by a complain from the n average joe?

 
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Originally posted by: KibboThe problem isn't the law. These people are already breaking it. The problem is that it's difficult to find them. We don't know where they are.

Laws could be drafted to go after both the spammers and the providers of the goods and services being advertised. This last, it seems, can be identified and found.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: KibboThe problem isn't the law. These people are already breaking it. The problem is that it's difficult to find them. We don't know where they are.

Laws could be drafted to go after both the spammers and the providers of the goods and services being advertised. This last, it seems, can be identified and found.

These are the ones that are providing justification for the spammers.