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rh71

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I have an older 57" projection Sony: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-0HuQMefQDRW/p_15857HW40/Sony-KP-57HW40.html (says 1080i)

Since our old dvd player died I figure I'll just buy for the future and get a blu-ray player. Will I get blu-ray quality (using BR discs of course) with a simple component connection to this tv? The tv doesn't have hdmi.

Was thinking of this player because it can't be that wide to fit in our shelf - if you have opinions please share: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-BDP-S390-...blu+ray+player

Another question while I'm here - will any blu-ray player's wifi work with the local network to play home videos like the Plex app does on Roku?
 
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IndyColtsFan

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No, you won't get blu-ray quality because that player does not have component out -- it only has composite and HDMI and the only way to get quality video with that unit is by using HDMI.
 
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rh71 said:
I have an older 57" projection Sony: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-0HuQMefQDRW/p_15857HW40/Sony-KP-57HW40.html (says 1080i)

Since our old dvd player died I figure I'll just buy for the future and get a blu-ray player. Will I get blu-ray quality (using BR discs of course) with a simple component connection to this tv? The tv doesn't have hdmi.

Was thinking of this player because it can't be that wide to fit in our shelf - if you have opinions please share: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-BDP-S390-...blu+ray+player

Another question while I'm here - will any blu-ray player's wifi work with the local network to play home videos like the Plex app does on Roku?
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Even if you find a BD player with component out it is possible certain movies will be restricted to DVD quality over component. I think it is called ICT for image constraint token and while it is there in out TV's and BD players most studios have not used it. I could have outdated info but some other smarter AT member will correct me.
 
rh71

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makes sense, didn't realize component was analog. I guess I'll just go with a regular dvd player, with wifi this time around. But if it's nearly the same price I'll still get the BR player.

This 57" is still in good working order and isn't easily moved from the living room. ;)
 
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I would recommend getting a Blu-ray player with component out, that is if you can find one. They started to become rare a few years ago.

However, for that TV, I'd probably choose a DVD player with component out over a Blu-ray player without component out.

Actually, neither. In truth, what I'd do is buy a new TV. Quite frankly, old rear projection TVs generally have poor image quality by modern standards. Just get a cheap 50" plasma or something. You could get that for $500 (or a little more for one a bit bigger), and that'd allow you to save some money on the Blu-ray player. The BDP-S390 is a fine player and is much cheaper than what a decent component-endowed Blu-ray player would cost you.
 
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NutBucket said:
There is such a thing as an HDMI-component converter ;)
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Most don't have HDCP support AFAIK. Or if it does actually support HDCP, it's non-sanctioned support.

Plus, there are lots reported problems with them.
 
Railgun

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That's the exact same tv I had. And yes, it will work. I too used an hdmi-component adapter and it worked flawlessly. And yes, it will look great.

I'll see if I can find the adapter I used. This was purchased in 2007 and I don't know if the particular one is still available.
 
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Are you talking rear projector or front projector?

However, for my primary TV, I'd get neither. I hate DLP rainbows (although they're less pronounced with certain models), and front projectors don't do well with ambient light.

If you're going to get a 50-60" TV for a say primary living room TV, the only viable options IMO are plasma, LCD, or LED.
 
NutBucket

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Nothing wrong at all with a properly set up CRT projection TV. Years ago I almost bought a Mitsubishi Diamond series CRT rear projection TV. Didn't have a place for it though so I passed. Would have been nice....
 
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NutBucket said:
Nothing wrong at all with a properly set up CRT projection TV. Years ago I almost bought a Mitsubishi Diamond series CRT rear projection TV. Didn't have a place for it though so I passed. Would have been nice....
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They're not necessarily terrible, but there are just too many negatives compared to modern 50" flat panel TVs, not the least of which are size and the fact they go out of calibration with time.

If you're going to get a new TV, it'd be bizarre to get a new (used) rear projection TV. If you're going to keep an old TV, then fine, but unless you're getting the TV for free or something you're better off entering the modern world with a flat panel. Personally though, I wouldn't take a rear projection TV even if it were free.
 
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Railgun

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CRT still bests plasma and most certainly LCD with motion and arguably color. Too bad the tech really didn't progress in the consumer market. I'd opt for a CRT variant of moderate size any day.
 
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Railgun said:
CRT still bests plasma and most certainly LCD with motion and arguably color. Too bad the tech really didn't progress in the consumer market. I'd opt for a CRT variant of moderate size any day.
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I have a plasma, LCDs, and an LCD front projector all in this house. I used to have a CRT - direct view widescreen HD.

The problem with CRT is they're all old. Missing inputs, video delay with the later CRTs if you wanted any processing, and for projection there is calibration drift. Plus other things.

What I was really hoping for was SED, but didn't feel like spending $25000 for one. ;)
 
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Actually I don't know what the difference between blu-ray and DVD is. Sorry, I have ever got Blu-ray yet. And of course know little about it.
 
JimKiler

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lucaswhite said:
Actually I don't know what the difference between blu-ray and DVD is. Sorry, I have ever got Blu-ray yet. And of course know little about it.
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All you need to know is HD DVD is superior and BD is a weak HD format that we have to suffer through until 4K is here.
 
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So, I went digging a little further into my Blu-ray players. I have three standalone Sony Blu-ray players, and all three have component out:

1) BDP-S350: 2008 model - Slow, with no Netflix or MKV support.
2) BDP-S370: 2010 model - Faster, with Netflix support and MKV support up to 4 GB via USB (FAT32).
3) BDP-S380: 2011 model - Faster, with Netflix support and MKV support as large as you want via USB (if you use NTFS - otherwise it's 4 GB on FAT32).

Interestingly, if you look on eBay, the BDP-S370 is more expensive than the BDP-S380, even though overall the S380 is the better machine. I suspect it is because the S370 is a 2010 model, which was built before the requirement to downsample Blu-ray to 480i over component was implemented. I don't know if newer firmwares for the S370 do this too, but I'm guessing no.
 
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Lifer
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Off topic, but here we go again... The problem with beta was the 60 minute maximum recording time (initially). They refused to budge, and killed their own market in North America. Personally, I felt the overall superior format won in VHS vs beta war, even if over 60 mins beta had the edge for video quality. (Can you tell? Our household got VHS, not beta.)
 
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