new system ASUS P8Z77 V- pro

[Ed1]

hi all

put together new system with following parts

Case= Corsair 550R
MB= ASUS P8Z77 V PRO
CPU= I5 3570k
MEM=Crucial ballistic 8G
vid= MSI 660ti PE 2gb
PS= Corsair 650TX V2
HS= CM 212evo
HD= WD black edition 500g SATAIII

Ok, put together everything, went smoothly . on first bootup got a boot disk led , this was easy fix with just reinserting SATA cables .
The issue is intermittently I would get no display from the 660ti, no bios no nothing, not even monitor wake up . All it did was on first day is power down and tried/check the vid in PICE slot even though it was in . Now it worked and was able to install win7 and all drivers , did windows update set up internet explorer . rest of day no issue even rebooted when driver update .
Next day same issue, no display at all , again checked everything, all seems good but no mater no display output. I switch to internal IGPU output and this works fine running off CPU graphics (didn't install drivers on this one though) .

So not knowing if bad vid or possible bad slot I call Asus tech , they recommended trying another vid card, well I don't have one and next was try 660ti in another system .
The only system I have is old XPS 410 which was running 7900GTX and it has default 400W PS I think, I was worried on power amount but then again at boot up or even 2d it probably very low .

Anyway, the other idea tech gave was try it in lower slot 8x one. tried that same issue, no display .
SO I returned vid to new egg, hoping that is the issue but just wanted to know what others think or input.

Also question. this MB has for graphic setting for which it picks to use = Auto (default) , IGPU, PED, PCI .

Now I didn't try the PED one for PCI-e but this might sound like stupid question but say I set it to that using IGPU and the PCI-e vid still had issue. would you be able to go back and use IGPU to get into bios or would I have to use jumper on MB to reset defaults back to auto .

Any input is welcome , new vid should arrive in a week.

 

[bankster55]

I'll just throw this out for what its worth
I am not saying this is your solution
After building many many SB IB mobo, I am beginning to suspect that these are especially sensitive to +5VSB risetime from cold boot.

Remember this class of mobo are booting very fast - especially with SSD or SSD RAID.

I now only buy Platinum PSU for my builds, not so much for the rock solid rails, or the powersavng, but the better handling of turn on boot surge.
There is even an anti surge setting in bios (default enabled)

So I would try a non Corsair (modded Sea Sonic) PSU

Any vidcard with a non standard bios is also trouble.
ASUS does not try to buy every videcard known to man, and in Taiwan many are not even available.

(just fwiw)

 

[Ed1]

I'll just throw this out for what its worth
I am not saying this is your solution
After building many many SB IB mobo, I am beginning to suspect that these are especially sensitive to +5VSB risetime from cold boot.

Remember this class of mobo are booting very fast - especially with SSD or SSD RAID.

I now only buy Platinum PSU for my builds, not so much for the rock solid rails, or the powersavng, but the better handling of turn on boot surge.
There is even an anti surge setting in bios (default enabled)

So I would try a non Corsair (modded Sea Sonic) PSU

Any vidcard with a non standard bios is also trouble.
ASUS does not try to buy every videcard known to man, and in Taiwan many are not even available.

(just fwiw)

what does "SB IB" mobo , stand for . so you think it might be PS, 5v rail , seems to be steady @ 4.99 under load (prime95).

I am using standard HD , no raid or SSD .

thing is onboard works fine every time .

thanks for input .

 

[bankster55]

SB- IB = Sandy Bridge Ivy Bridge

I didnt say 5V Rail
I said +5VSB

Onboard does not give surge like PCIe card

Look at charts at top here (stand by voltage)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=305

meh

 

[Ed1]

SB- IB = Sandy Bridge Ivy Bridge

I didnt say 5V Rail
I said +5VSB

Onboard does not give surge like PCIe card

Look at charts at top here (stand by voltage)
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=305

meh

Ok, got it .
This PS lists 3a/15w on 5vSB .
When I get vid back will go to basic's if I have trouble , just CPU, mem, vid at boot out of case and see what happens .If still bad, I have PS tested locally or try another if I can find one( borough one) .
I have multimeter and even scope but no load tester for PS . I don't have spare parts as this is so new, my other system much older .

Just have to try an do process of elimination .

thanks for feedback
Ed

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Ok, got it .
This PS lists 3a/15w on 5vSB .
When I get vid back will go to basic's if I have trouble , just CPU, mem, vid at boot out of case and see what happens .If still bad, I have PS tested locally or try another if I can find one( borough one) .
I have multimeter and even scope but no load tester for PS . I don't have spare parts as this is so new, my other system much older .

Just have to try an do process of elimination .

thanks for feedback
Ed

On my Z68 version of your board, the BIOS default chooses the dGPU if one is inserted. I either had to configure and set the BIOS before inserting the dGPU, or connect the monitor to it instead of the iGPU.

I assume you explored these aspects by the time you were ready to install windows? Or checked the BIOS settings? It may be the case that your Z77 board handles these things more easily. I cannot say.

 

[Ed1]

On my Z68 version of your board, the BIOS default chooses the dGPU if one is inserted. I either had to configure and set the BIOS before inserting the dGPU, or connect the monitor to it instead of the iGPU.

I assume you explored these aspects by the time you were ready to install windows? Or checked the BIOS settings? It may be the case that your Z77 board handles these things more easily. I cannot say.

my first post asks this question ""Also question. this MB has for graphic setting for which it picks to use = Auto (default) , IGPU, PED, PCI ."

My Z77 has it set to auto and I was asking about setting it to PEG (PCI-E ) if it would help.
are you saying you had same problem and setting it to PEG worked .

Again, if I do set it does that affect loading into bios or just windows as if it don't work, how would I set in back to auto or igpu if I wanted ( I assume clearing cmos with jumper would load defaults ? )

Edit: reading other Z77 post on these MB booting so fast, I just remember that when it worked I was doing install, so had boot set to DVD first, then HD ,this slowed down boot time and maybe was why display worked then . I will have to check this out to when card come ins .

 

[BonzaiDuck]

my first post asks this question ""Also question. this MB has for graphic setting for which it picks to use = Auto (default) , IGPU, PED, PCI ."

My Z77 has it set to auto and I was asking about setting it to PEG (PCI-E ) if it would help.
are you saying you had same problem and setting it to PEG worked .

Again, if I do set it does that affect loading into bios or just windows as if it don't work, how would I set in back to auto or igpu if I wanted ( I assume clearing cmos with jumper would load defaults ? )

Edit: reading other Z77 post on these MB booting so fast, I just remember that when it worked I was doing install, so had boot set to DVD first, then HD ,this slowed down boot time and maybe was why display worked then . I will have to check this out to when card come ins .

Again -- all I know for sure comes from my experience with the Z68 chipset and board(s), but this is a new situation we have with the Sandy and Ivy Bridge processors: inclusion of an iGPU and BIOS settings that have "default" implications. With MY board, it auto-defaults to the dGPU if you have a graphics card installed. You get a blank screen under that scenario for connecting the monitor to the board's ports for the iGPU. This can cause "confusion," panic, and other unbalanced reactions.

Maybe this has somehow changed with the Z77 boards. I can't say.

But for putting my nVidia GTX 570 into the PCI-E slot when I first built the system and before I started it up the first time, I had the experience I described. It might have been better if I had set up the system first with the iGPU, installed Windows, and THEN added the dGPU. the main thing, howsoever you do it, get familiar with the BIOS settings and the implications they may have for pre-installed hardware.

 

[Ed1]

Again -- all I know for sure comes from my experience with the Z68 chipset and board(s), but this is a new situation we have with the Sandy and Ivy Bridge processors: inclusion of an iGPU and BIOS settings that have "default" implications. With MY board, it auto-defaults to the dGPU if you have a graphics card installed. You get a blank screen under that scenario for connecting the monitor to the board's ports for the iGPU. This can cause "confusion," panic, and other unbalanced reactions.

Maybe this has somehow changed with the Z77 boards. I can't say.

But for putting my nVidia GTX 570 into the PCI-E slot when I first built the system and before I started it up the first time, I had the experience I described. It might have been better if I had set up the system first with the iGPU, installed Windows, and THEN added the dGPU. the main thing, howsoever you do it, get familiar with the BIOS settings and the implications they may have for pre-installed hardware.

Ok, I understand now . Yes it seems they changed it as it default is auto now, if you connect to the IGPU>monitor it works and if you add Dgpu , again with monitor connected it works that way .

I just tested the PCI-E slot with a old ATI PCI-E and it boots every time .
SO it looks to me like MB is ok and is either the vid was bad (kind of worked 1 day) or possibly some kind of PS issue .

Will see next week when replacement vid comes in .

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Ok, I understand now . Yes it seems they changed it as it default is auto now, if you connect to the IGPU>monitor it works and if you add Dgpu , again with monitor connected it works that way .

I just tested the PCI-E slot with a old ATI PCI-E and it boots every time .
SO it looks to me like MB is ok and is either the vid was bad (kind of worked 1 day) or possibly some kind of PS issue .

Will see next week when replacement vid comes in .

It will be useful to see how this all shakes out. No electrical engineer, I've been doing DIY diagnoses on my systems for 20 years. I've seldom "got it wrong," but it can be unnecessarily costly when one does (get it wrong).

Over the years, I've had vid cards crap out on me. One of them just chose to explode all its capacitors: I remember waking up when I heard the "pop," and later discovered my server's graphics card was dead.

Maybe someone flirts with a DIY build the first time, and hopefully, they're lucky with their choice and shipment of parts. But you can get a GTX 430 card for maybe $30, just to keep on-hand in the event you need to confirm whether the problem was a graphics card or something else. Same thing for RAM -- which is cheap right now. Since I've never heard of someone getting a new CPU that was DOA, those particular extras in a parts-locker can really help nail things down to the right "culprit."

 

[Ed1]

It will be useful to see how this all shakes out. No electrical engineer, I've been doing DIY diagnoses on my systems for 20 years. I've seldom "got it wrong," but it can be unnecessarily costly when one does (get it wrong).

Over the years, I've had vid cards crap out on me. One of them just chose to explode all its capacitors: I remember waking up when I heard the "pop," and later discovered my server's graphics card was dead.

Maybe someone flirts with a DIY build the first time, and hopefully, they're lucky with their choice and shipment of parts. But you can get a GTX 430 card for maybe $30, just to keep on-hand in the event you need to confirm whether the problem was a graphics card or something else. Same thing for RAM -- which is cheap right now. Since I've never heard of someone getting a new CPU that was DOA, those particular extras in a parts-locker can really help nail things down to the right "culprit."

So far so good . As I said I got old ATI card from a friend , cold booted repeatably on Friday .
Monday got replacement , cold booted it 3 times w/o HD just to make sure. then with HD and seemed ok .
Started again today so , so far 100% . before I had issues on first boot of new system.

After thought, the org 660ti card was slight bent (PCB) and had faint burt smell, also I do remember now so sounds from it but not super loud like popping but still some kind of not normal sounds .

Edit: only issue I see so far is GPU-Z is reporting card is PCI-E 3.0 running at 1.1 bus speeds . I have seen this reported with some changes in bios that might help or at least bring to 2.0 speeds .
Edit2 , I should of read pop up link first . It seems this is a power saving thing , when running D3d app she goes to 3.0 .