new super gaming rig from Dell!
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That is the new LGA775. From what benchmarks I have seen they are not very good. Better off with the 478 for now.
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Dell really needs to start implementing AMD processor options into their home, AND enterprise level solutions. Because to be honest, I'm just not all that impressed with Dell anymore, I own 3 of them, in addition to my home-made rigs, but I don't think i'll ever get another Dell, for any reason, just because of their inability to adapt to "whats hot"
Any person competent enough to build their own rig should not be a) purchasing a Dell under any circumstances or b) early adopting DDRII and PCI-E, unless of course you hemorrhage money profusely and can think of no better use for the cash falling wildly from your person. That rig will never really benefit from either of the new technologies without extensive (and expensive) upgrades, so why waste the cash now? To be more specific, for that rig to really shine (the way it is intended to, mind you; it's still fast) you would have to replace a) the chip with a forthcoming higher-FSB prescott b) the DDRII with faster, lower latency ram and c) the x800 with a chip that actually utilizes the bandwidth of PCI-E.
Is it slow? No. Is it any faster than a DDR-I/AGP solution? Nope.
And sorry, but you can't really call it a "super gaming rig" unless it's got an A64 =)....super encoding rig, sure, that's a little more accurate
. And like that other guy said Dell needs to add AMD solutions to their lineup, especially for a good value line XP setup.
Is it slow? No. Is it any faster than a DDR-I/AGP solution? Nope.
And sorry, but you can't really call it a "super gaming rig" unless it's got an A64 =)....super encoding rig, sure, that's a little more accurate
. And like that other guy said Dell needs to add AMD solutions to their lineup, especially for a good value line XP setup.
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I understand that AMD is faster for games, but what game exactly cant you play on a P4 3.4GHz that you can play on a A64 3400+? Im guessing none. Processors from both companies bottleneck new vid cards anyways.
Dell systems are upgradable in everything. You can change the video cards to anything you want as long as you get a system with AGP, You can upgrade processors, add memory, change hard drives. The only thing you CANT do is o/c. Just my 2 cents worth. I like Dell, very reliable and quiet, not the best performers but decent.
I build my own rigs, but Dell is the only thing I buy for my company.
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Dell is a multi-billion dollar company. I'm sure if selling AMD machines were in the best interest of their shareholders they would have done it by now. They probably have a good reason why don't don't offer AMD machines. Maybe AMD can't guarantee uninterrupted supply to Dell like Intel can?
Wrong. Intel leverages their monopoly just like Microsoft does.
A few years ago, some other big build-to-order companies took the AMD plunge (I believe Gateway was among them); it wasn't pretty. Intel was threatening them left right and center - loyal Dell got the better prices and the new chips faster - other companies that decided to offer the AMD alternative were threatened to give up the AMD option or lose their existing deals with Intel and pay higher prices.
Dell, the loyal lapdog of Intel, stayed true to it's master and kept the Intel deal.
Why do you think Dell isn't offering up cheaper Linux bundles on their low end systems, by the way?
Part of it is because cheap users probably wouldn't know how to use Linux or wouldn't be able to run their favourite software on it, but it's mainly because MS says so.
Like keys said top end p4's are still close to A64's for gaming and can pretty much handle anything thrown at them. It's probably not in dell's best interest to start selling amd chips anyways though. Intel gives them lower prices since they sell their processors exclusively.
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ponyo
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Wrong? You act like what you're stating is a proven fact. I guess you have proof? I know lot of AMD fans like to bring up this rumor as absolute fact but where's the proof? I'm sure DOJ would be interested. I'm sure AMD would be interested as well. You don't think Intel doesn't have lot of enemies? I'm sure all of them would be very interested in this proof you have.
As for Dell offering Linux, they do offer Linux on all their server line, including their budget $299 400SC line. Despite what Linux fans try to tell you most people still don't care about Linux for desktop. It's still pretty much server thing only. I'm sure Dell will be more than willing to offer to desktop users if the demand was there.
Dell is a public company. If Dell thought selling AMD machines was in their best financial interest they would have done it. Dell seems to have done pretty well selling Intel only machines compared to their competition who sell both. I guess posters here know how to run Dell better than Dell.
As for Dell offering Linux, they do offer Linux on all their server line, including their budget $299 400SC line. Despite what Linux fans try to tell you most people still don't care about Linux for desktop. It's still pretty much server thing only. I'm sure Dell will be more than willing to offer to desktop users if the demand was there.
Dell is a public company. If Dell thought selling AMD machines was in their best financial interest they would have done it. Dell seems to have done pretty well selling Intel only machines compared to their competition who sell both. I guess posters here know how to run Dell better than Dell.
Exactly. It's dell's choice, whether it hurts them or helps them. If you don't like it, simply do as you stated and don't buy from them.
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And if they took our advice mabye they would actually appeal to the enthusiast community as well? Intead of making XPS GAMING SERIES!!! computers. Just a thought.
(EDIT) I own 3 dells, in addition to my own comps, so don't shoot me down please
My friend made the mistake of purchasing a Dell... Build it yourself dude, Dell has thee WORST Tech Support if something goes wrong they let you tell it to India (literally).
Click here and Look for a better Company than Dell, You will not regret it!
Thought i'd give ya a friendly heads up, and the system your building looks sweet dude
Click here and Look for a better Company than Dell, You will not regret it!
Thought i'd give ya a friendly heads up, and the system your building looks sweet dude
in the past dell (first) been concerned about supply issues, and later compatibility issues - of course it's pretty much been show compatibility issue was unfounded.
more recently, both dell and amd have stated we'll likely see amd adopted as a second chip supplier, tho i believe they were talking the opteron..
more recently, both dell and amd have stated we'll likely see amd adopted as a second chip supplier, tho i believe they were talking the opteron..
Yeah, hang on let me sift through my Kennedy assasination dossier and my Microsoft monopoly file folder to find the Intel anti-trust monopoly documents.
You can be obtuse and demand proof for something that is relatively obvious (especially back in the day when BTO companies not named Dell were dropping like flies and AMD was just entering the market with the Athlon chip), or you can open your eyes.
Big companies leverage monopolies and make deals like this all the time. If I had rock solid proof of this, don't you think Intel would be in legal trouble?
As an aside, nobody is saying they are suggesting how to run Dell better than Dell does, merely that Dell does not offer the choice of AMD to it's customers and has never offered the choice. Some people would like to be able to buy AMD-equipped Dells, but have never been given the opportunity.
As for Dell, you're right, it wouldn't be in their best interest to start selling AMD chips because it would sour their longstanding relationship with Intel.
^ In regards to the bolded part of your quote, does everyone who argues against you instantly become a fanboy, or a "fan of xxx" ?
In this case, it's even *more* important to have a processor that's faster for games, since it won't bottleneck your video card as much. But, yes, it's not like a 3.0Ghz+ P4 is *slow* by any stretch of the imagination. It's just that the AMD processors tend to be faster for the same price, and/or the same speed for a lower price.
Their systems *are* upgradable, but if you buy the upgrades from Dell, you pay through the nose -- and if you buy and install aftermarket parts, you're voiding the warranty. If one of their preconfigured systems isn't exactly (or very close to) what you want, it's often not such a great deal, unless you don't get an extended warranty.
This computer is almost $3000. That is insane for a gaming rig seeing how u can get 90% of the frames for less then 1/2 the price
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Conspiracy theories are nice and fun. But without any proof how can you say you're right and I'm wrong? What if Dell hasn't used AMD chips because AMD has bad habit of not being able to deliver and can't guarantee needed chip allocations to large company like Dell? What if Dell needs to plan year in advance all their product lines and strategy and AMD can't and won't provide clear and good enough roadmaps to satisfy them and allow Dell to conduct business in Dell efficient manner? Or maybe having two separate product lines from two different CPU makers might cause product and support headaches and actually cause costs and expense to go up and margins to drop? Couldn't any of these be big and good enough reasons for Dell to not use AMD?
But I guess anyone who thinks any differently from you are wrong and only has half a brain. Because anyone with more than half a brain can clearly see the reason Dell doesn't use AMD is because of Intel's secret deal with Dell. It's true because it's so obvious and you said so.
If you're fan of some product or company, does that make you fanboy?
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Originally posted by: justin1466
My friend made the mistake of purchasing a Dell... Build it yourself dude, Dell has thee WORST Tech Support if something goes wrong they let you tell it to India (literally).
Click here and Look for a better Company than Dell, You will not regret it!
Thought i'd give ya a friendly heads up, and the system your building looks sweet dude
Actually, Dell has award winning technical support and service. It also depends on what warranty you purchase when you spec out your system. As far as I am concerned, their tech support is probably one of the top 3 reasons I chose Dell for my company's sole computer provider whether it be desktop, laptop server or other network devices. If I ever need them, which does happen once in a while, they are there the next day with replacement parts in hand or they will have the part shipped ahead of them. You cannot beat Dell for their service.
Now of course if you spec out a computer and buy the crappiest warranty offering they have, of course you will be unhappy. The difference between 1 year mail in service and 3 year onsite service is negligible when you consider the service you get. So your statement cannot be more innaccurate despite how your friend exaggerated his experience. Something tells me you dont know the whole story judging from my past experiences will Dell support.
I wasn't having 'fun,' I was merely stating what I heard.
I can't prove my point without proof, now can I? All I can do is tell you what I've heard and it's up to you to form your own opinion.
Yes, that's also a viable theory, but do you honestly believe that today's AMD is that inept a company to not be able to ship their chips in volume to any company, even Dell? I think AMD has proved their competence recently with their solid product lines - the Athlon 64 was almost a coup, were it not for some spiffy sleight of hand by Intel and a clever smokescreen (releasing the P4 EE). I don't think the issue is with AMD 'not being able' to do something.
You said it, not me.
I asked you to think about it. Instead we both went up against eachother hardheadedly. I accept that your theory is a possiblity, at least.
No.
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