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New study shows high-carb, vegan diet causes major weight loss

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..so 40% of meat eaters are puss gut obese.

Diet effective with no limits on portion size
WASHINGTON -- A low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet, shows a new study appearing in the September issue of The American Journal of Medicine. The study, involving 59 overweight, postmenopausal women, was conducted by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM), together with colleagues at Georgetown University Hospital and George Washington University. Half of the study participants followed a vegan diet; the other half followed a control diet based on National Cholesterol Education Program guidelines.
"The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based eating plan."

Scientific studies show that obesity and overweight are far less prevalent in populations following a plant-based diet. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and other life-threatening diseases. A new study appearing in September's Journal of Urology shows that a low-fat, primarily vegan diet may slow the progression of prostate cancer.

The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people who are busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.

For a copy of the new paper published in The American Journal of Medicine, please contact Jeanne S. McVey at 202-686-2210, ext. 316, or jeannem@pcrm.org.

Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.
 
I wonder if it's something more in the mindset of someone who chooses to be vegetarian. They're already super health conscious to make that decision and will, imo, be less likely to plop in front of the boob tube with a bag of Doritoes and a liter of Pepsi.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
I wonder if it's something more in the mindset of someone who chooses to be vegetarian. They're already super health conscious to make that decision and will, imo, be less likely to plop in front of the boob tube with a bag of Doritoes and a liter of Pepsi.

Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat. While most eat too much meat some meat is necesary. Preferrably fish or eggs but chicken breast is good too. Just a little.

In my youth so many health and fitness gurus were dying at young ages and it was typically heart related. It turns out that the lack of proper protein has the body grab protein where it can. The heart is the first source. So "healthy" vegetarians frequently die at a much younger age.

Now, given a choice of meat, meat, and potatoes or all vegetarian, well, the veggie diet is often better.
 
Well, I assume no meat as they claim they are vegetarian. But, will they eat protein from forms other than soy? I dunno.

Now, are they vegan? I would be doubtful of that.
 
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: conjur
I wonder if it's something more in the mindset of someone who chooses to be vegetarian. They're already super health conscious to make that decision and will, imo, be less likely to plop in front of the boob tube with a bag of Doritoes and a liter of Pepsi.

Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat. While most eat too much meat some meat is necesary. Preferrably fish or eggs but chicken breast is good too. Just a little.

In my youth so many health and fitness gurus were dying at young ages and it was typically heart related. It turns out that the lack of proper protein has the body grab protein where it can. The heart is the first source. So "healthy" vegetarians frequently die at a much younger age.

Now, given a choice of meat, meat, and potatoes or all vegetarian, well, the veggie diet is often better.

Everything in moderation. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Originally posted by: conjur
I wonder if it's something more in the mindset of someone who chooses to be vegetarian. They're already super health conscious to make that decision and will, imo, be less likely to plop in front of the boob tube with a bag of Doritoes and a liter of Pepsi.

Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat. While most eat too much meat some meat is necesary. Preferrably fish or eggs but chicken breast is good too. Just a little.

In my youth so many health and fitness gurus were dying at young ages and it was typically heart related. It turns out that the lack of proper protein has the body grab protein where it can. The heart is the first source. So "healthy" vegetarians frequently die at a much younger age.

Now, given a choice of meat, meat, and potatoes or all vegetarian, well, the veggie diet is often better.
Everything in moderation. 😉
Except sex. :evil:
 
Simply put, it's damn hard to get fat on a vegan diet. Not mention the positive benefits of avoiding the highly processed, micronutrient poor white flour that serves as a staple in the American diet.
 
"The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Barnard, the lead author. "As they began to experience the positive effects, weight loss and improved insulin sensitivity, the women in the intervention group became even more motivated to follow the plant-based eating plan."

This should be obvious by now.

HUGE, HUGE difference between the carbs in this diet and the ones found in the American diet. The GI of these foods are much lower, meaning that it is absorbed into your body much slower.

Foods like white flour, sugar, high fructose corn syrup, and others are absorbed so fast into your body that it will store excess as fat and you'll get hungry faster because it's all absorbed.

Low GI foods supply your body with a steady slow source of energy leaving you full longer.

Furthermore the foods they eat are loaded with nutrients not found in the typical American diet. That explains the other benefits.

This is essentially how I eat, but with chicken and lean beef.
 
Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat. While most eat too much meat some meat is necesary. Preferrably fish or eggs but chicken breast is good too. Just a little.

Good fish is very expensive. By good I mean clean, wild, and fresh.

It's far more economical to buy fish oil esters from wild, clean fish than it is to consume them whole. Pratically all the health benefits from fish come from the DHA omega 3 fats.
 
Sometimes I get sick of this diet stuff that recommends going extreme to either side. Eating right is really simple to explain, doing is another matter.

Eat a balnced diet. You can look up what balanced is, just a ratio of protein vs. carbs and such.

Eat your fruits and veggies and stay away from processed sugar, processed anything for that matter.

Take in the same amount of calories that you burn.

Burn more calories, aka exercise!
 
I wonder if it's something more in the mindset of someone who chooses to be vegetarian.

Likely a factor, but it's mostly their body is kept satisfied. Their body gets a constant supply of calories at a slow rate. They are kept full longer.

In the typical American diet, you'd have to excerise like crazy or starve (live off that fat you just made) to maintain body weight.



Sometimes I get sick of this diet stuff that recommends going extreme to either side. Eating right is really simple to explain, doing is another matter.

Thing is their diet seems very balanced. High in carbs....from fruits, vegetables, whole grains, etc. Just no meat, which you can do without.
 
Originally posted by: Legend
Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat. While most eat too much meat some meat is necesary. Preferrably fish or eggs but chicken breast is good too. Just a little.

Good fish is very expensive. By good I mean clean, wild, and fresh.

It's far more economical to buy fish oil esters from wild, clean fish than it is to consume them whole. Pratically all the health benefits from fish come from the DHA omega 3 fats.


Except the protein, which is important.
 
Originally posted by: Legend
Protein is in milk, beans, nuts, etc.

I've seen whey protein yogurt before too.


Well I guess that's a personal preference then, but I'd rather eat fish than drink 3 or more glasses of milk.

Ostrich 10 grams/ounce
Beef 7 grams/ounce
Poultry 7 grams/ounce
Fish 7 grams/ounce
Large Egg 7 grams/egg
Milk 8 grams/cup
Cheese (eg. Cheddar) 7 grams/ounce
Bread 4 grams/slice
Cereal 4 grams/1/2 cup
Vegetables 2 grams/ 1/2 cup
Soybeans (dry) 10 grams/ounce
Peanuts 7 grams/ounce
Lentils (dry) 6.5 grams/ounce
Red beans 6 grams/ounce
Baked potato 9 grams/8 ounces
Cashews 5 grams/ounce

edit: that list is protein in grams
 
Originally posted by: Legend
Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat. While most eat too much meat some meat is necesary. Preferrably fish or eggs but chicken breast is good too. Just a little.

Good fish is very expensive. By good I mean clean, wild, and fresh.

It's far more economical to buy fish oil esters from wild, clean fish than it is to consume them whole. Pratically all the health benefits from fish come from the DHA omega 3 fats.

Actually it's DHA and EPA . . . don't forget . . . NEVER by fish liver oil only buy fish BODY oil.
 
Originally posted by: Legend
Protein is in milk, beans, nuts, etc.

I've seen whey protein yogurt before too.

Beans are probably the best source of protein outside of meat, and they involve the best health trade-offs as well. While most sources of protein aren't all that good for your otherwise (nuts and dairy products included), beans are great.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Legend
Protein is in milk, beans, nuts, etc.

I've seen whey protein yogurt before too.

Beans are probably the best source of protein outside of meat, and they involve the best health trade-offs as well. While most sources of protein aren't all that good for your otherwise (nuts and dairy products included), beans are great.

Nuts, in moderation, are great for you.
 
Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat.

I agree. The studies were done on Swedish women, so hopefully they choose the tube steak.

 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Legend
Protein is in milk, beans, nuts, etc.

I've seen whey protein yogurt before too.

Beans are probably the best source of protein outside of meat, and they involve the best health trade-offs as well. While most sources of protein aren't all that good for your otherwise (nuts and dairy products included), beans are great.

Nuts, in moderation, are great for you.

Oh yeah, I agree, I'm a big fan of the "in moderation" approach to eating. However, you can eat a lot of beans with no real side affects (well, except THAT one 😉)
 
Originally posted by: getbush
Sometimes I get sick of this diet stuff that recommends going extreme to either side. Eating right is really simple to explain, doing is another matter.

Eat a balnced diet. You can look up what balanced is, just a ratio of protein vs. carbs and such.

Eat your fruits and veggies and stay away from processed sugar, processed anything for that matter.

Take in the same amount of calories that you burn.

Burn more calories, aka exercise!

Yup, the only True diet is a Balanced Diet.

When are people going to figure out that all these Weight Loss Diets are complete bunk? The reason, IMO, people lose weight on Low-Carb or High-Carb diets has nothing to do with the thingy being singled out as Good/Bad, but by your Body trying to adjust to the sudden change of eating habits. People are killing themselves by constantly puting their Body under stress by hopping from one fad diet to another, then to make matters worse their bodies having adjusted to the change begins to pack the weight on again. To quote a famous(shortly) diet/fitness guru of the '80's, "STOP THE INSANITY!!!"

Remember all the Low-Carbians of just 1 year ago? Soon we'll see High-Carbians and many of them will be Low-Carbian converts. Weight loss Diets are more Religion than science and like Religion there are as many Con-Artists cooking up a convincing Con then there are legitimate experts.

Disclaimer: The above is just my educated(somewhat 😀 ) opinion.
 
NEWS FLASH! VEGANS ARE SKINNY! 😛

Check out my new "All-You-Can-Eat Celery Diet." Eat as MUCH celery as you want and watch the pounds melt away. You'll look like an anorexic prom queen in no time!
 
Remember all the Low-Carbians of just 1 year ago? Soon we'll see High-Carbians and many of them will be Low-Carbian converts. Weight loss Diets are more Religion than science and like Religion there are as many Con-Artists cooking up a convincing Con then there are legitimate experts.

I doubt it.

Read what they're eating. Fresh fruits, vegetables, and whole grains. This takes effort, and people that haven't taken the time to learn real healthy lifestyles (as opposed to learning false health tips from advertisements). I doubt they'll take the effort to eat healthy.

It seems a lack of meat is the only flaw (or challenge) in getting enough protein. It's very balanced otherwise and healthy.

If people read "carbs are good" and stuff themselves with white garlic bread, snacks, etc, then that's different.


Carbs weren't really ever bad, until we decided to process them. Whole grains --> white flour. Refined Sugar. High Fructose corn syrup. Fruit ---> fruit juice.
 
Most vegans (the intelligent ones anyway) substitute a high nut/legume intake for their protein. Still... you won't find me converting any time soon. I love my steak, chicken, pork and fish too much. 😀
 
Originally posted by: Legend
Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat. While most eat too much meat some meat is necesary. Preferrably fish or eggs but chicken breast is good too. Just a little.

Good fish is very expensive. By good I mean clean, wild, and fresh.

It's far more economical to buy fish oil esters from wild, clean fish than it is to consume them whole. Pratically all the health benefits from fish come from the DHA omega 3 fats.

I eat good fish straight out of the river. Silver Bass.....lol
 
Originally posted by: digiram
Originally posted by: Legend
Hopefully they are not truely vegetarian but eat a little meat. While most eat too much meat some meat is necesary. Preferrably fish or eggs but chicken breast is good too. Just a little.

Good fish is very expensive. By good I mean clean, wild, and fresh.

It's far more economical to buy fish oil esters from wild, clean fish than it is to consume them whole. Pratically all the health benefits from fish come from the DHA omega 3 fats.

I eat good fish straight out of the river. Silver Bass.....lol


had fresh halibut the other night......mmmmmmmmm
 
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