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[blastingcap]

I think your tone of voice speaks for itself, both in that thread and in this one.

Actually, people did agree with me that the M4 was a good drive. On that thread, several people recommended the m4 and others stated they agreed with the tenor of my post and that the m4 was fast enough to the point where you can't really tell the difference between the m4 and say, the 830, in real life desktop situations. I also AGREED with you that for the same price I'd get a 830, but I disagreed with your casual dismissal of the M4.

Oh you did huff and puff. Since you're pretty much begging to be embarrassed further, I will quote you:

Great post my arse. That post is a complete load of hyperbole half of which is unproven.

So much of an SSD expert he thinks that the Corsair Neutron uses a Sandforce controller.

I'm certainly not going to counter every point so I'll let the OP decide who's advice they wish to listen to.

You basically picked up on the one thing you could in my post (trivial error re: Corsair; it's still an unproven controller and doesn't make it's own NAND so it falls under similar categories), and then refused to respond to it, calling it a "complete load of hyperbole half of which is unproven."

So you sarcastically call me a genius yet are too dense to see sarcasm served back onto you (re: asking you if you are one and the same)?

You try so desperately to be "above it all" by insulting others and casually dismissing others' viewpoints but offer nothing yourself. You somehow took my sarcastic q at face value and deemed it not responding to--and then responded to it! Lol.

Look, I will apologize for rolling my eyes at you in that post and writing "oh brother." I guess you must have really hated that emoticon or wording or something. I didn't think I was being insulting, but I understand that some people are very sensitive. So, sorry that I hurt your feelings. Okay? Are we done here? Can we stick to the original topic of this thread please?

Btw, cussing is not allowed on the technical forums so I would remove or change your scatological wording.

You have a major issue staying on fact, a point I did elude to in the previous thread but as I couldn't be bothered last time, I will break it down this time.


Correction, I compared the m4 to the competition, which includes SF based options. I never said the m4 was shit, I said it had been left behind with the competition, and when you can get an 830 for the same price, there is no reason to get an m4 anymore.


Nobody backed you up either. One other person said "great post" and that was it. Probably nobody cared enough to get involved.



More drifting away from the actual facts. I did not huff and puff, I highlighted a clear error in your highly factual post. And what I have brought up here was your hypocrisy of criticising another posters behavior when you exhibit the same behavior yourself.


If you are asking if we are the same person on a forum then that is too pathetic to even respond to.

 

[Coup27]

On that thread, several people recommended the m4

No they didn't. I have just re-scanned that whole thread and only two people recommended the m4, one of which was the same person who "backed you up". One other user said their m4 was solid and left it at that, which was not actually a recommendation. Two people does not class as several.

I haven't insulted you or called you a genius and any cussing, which both words could easily be debated whether they are actually swear words or not, was not aimed at you or any other member.

 

[blastingcap]

OK. "Expert," not "genius." Let me guess, you are going to nitpick on that even though the OVERALL POINT remains unchanged: you were being sarcastic and apparently feel fine dishing it out but can't stand it if anyone is sarcastic towards you. Lol.

And yes people spoke well of the m4, stop lying. In fact the very first comment you had in that thread was against someone who recommended it. One guy explicitly agreed with me. Another agreed that the speed differences after a while were hard to notice and by implication an m4 was fast enough to hold its own against somewhat faster drives like the 830.

Since you were implying that I was being a hypocritical d-bag towards you, it bears mentioning that at least one person said he agreed with the tenor of my post and nobody other than you dissed the m4.

I wasn't saying you cussed at me, just that you should remove it due to TOS, chill out. Are you this sensitive about EVERYTHING? Because if you are, I am just going to have to Ignore you.

Edit: I see you edited your post to better reflect reality but still did not acknowledge other posts agreeing with my point that after a while, speed doesn't matter much anymore for normal desktop use. At least three people recommended the m4 or older-gen hardware in general, including myself, and regardless of the actual number depending on how you want to interpret various posts, NOBODY AGREED WITH YOU IN YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE M4. How can it possibly be any clearer that any number greater than zero, is greater than the number of people who agreed with you?

I can't believe you are spending this much time arguing with me after I already agreed that at the same price I'd probably get the 830. You won't defend your Sandforce vs M4 comparison, you won't address anything else I said, you casually dismiss others' viewpoints as hyperbole, you seem to like picking fights for no reason and to nitpick on minor details that do not change the overall point of posts. Why the heck should I *not* Ignore you from now on?

I already apologized for rolling my eyes at you and saying "oh brother." I did not ask you to apologize for your behavior towards me. I asked for us to get back on topic. You refused. I think that says something about you, in addition to your previous classy posts like your "my arse" post.

No they didn't. I have just re-scanned that whole thread and ONE person recommended the m4, which ironically was the same person who "backed you up". One other user said their m4 was solid and left it at that, which was not actually a recommendation. So where does several come from?

I haven't insulted you or called you a genius and any cussing, which both words could easily be debated whether they are actually swear words or not, was not aimed at you or any other member.

 

[Coup27]

We're clearly never going to agree so this is going to be my last post on this regardless of whatever you say next if you feel you have to have the last word.

Did I say people didn't speak well of it? No. Did I personally say the m4 was rubbish? No. My comment was not against another member, I asked him to provide answers to his thinking, answers which I think never came. Even if the real world speed differences are not that much, you would still buy a faster drive on paper if it was the same money, which the 830 is. End of really.

I actually edited my post just after posting it but you must have hit refresh in between and quoted it before I edited it. It was not a retro-edit after your comment.

Half of the things you have come out with have been pretty much made up. Me recommending non-Intel SF drives, my "Sandforce vs m4 comparision" (???), the real reason why I posted in this thread...

There is no point continuing this any further and I couldn't care less if you do put me on ignore.

 

[blastingcap]

I welcome everybody to read the thread Coup27 linked to see for themselves what was said, rather than rely on his distorted views.

Your posts speak for themselves and you clearly enjoy picking fights over nothing.

You even take friendly advice like redacting your inadvertent cussing to be some sort of accusation against you.

I wasn't the one so butthurt in that other thread that I had to bring it up again days later in a completely different thread. Let it go, bro. I know you enjoy picking fights, but come on, it's disrespectful to OP to do that here. You can PM me your hate mail if you want. Let's get this thread back on topic.

 

[jwilliams4200]

Your posts speak for themselves and you clearly enjoy picking fights over nothing.

That's a joke, right?

 

[hhhd1]

I do not know where SSDs roadmap is going, however this is the parts that I want to see improvment in:

1. reliability, so that more manufacturers would be able to compete to bring prices down, and not be like 4 main contenders.
2. Price.
3. Capacity.
4. Power consumption, I want to see zero idle power usage.

Things I do not care about:

1. Speed, I think that intel last generation of SATA2 drives where fast enough, the difference of the speed is only useful if you are running a heavy database application or similar.

 

[smangular]

I do not know where SSDs roadmap is going, however this is the parts that I want to see improvment in:

1. reliability, so that more manufacturers would be able to compete to bring prices down, and not be like 4 main contenders.
2. Price.
3. Capacity.
4. Power consumption, I want to see zero idle power usage.

Things I do not care about:

1. Speed, I think that intel last generation of SATA2 drives where fast enough, the difference of the speed is only useful if you are running a heavy database application or similar.

Reliability of the raw NAND Flash is going down with each smaller process, although software, wear leveling and ECC are improving. It would be nice to see a product between current enterprise grade and consumer grade products. TLC I'm planning to avoid unless it is at an amazing price difference.

 

[hhhd1]

NAND flash reliability now is fine, will see how it goes in the future, however I am talking mainly about controller reliability.

Intel: 8mb bug
Crucial M4: first firmwares had slow speed and 5000 hour bug, newest firmware had compatibility problems with some power saving features in some motherboards.
Sansforce: ...

ALL ssds required a firmware update, no exception that I know of so far.

The controller should be able to collect the crap if few nand blocks failed, and be able to handle it nicely, however now it seems that the controller is a main issue.

I would actually like to see SSDs that are more reliable than mechanical disks, as promised when ssds started to emerge.

 

[Coup27]

ALL ssds required a firmware update, no exception that I know of so far.

The Intel 510 made it through its life cycle without a firmware update, it was just so damn expensive that most consumers ignored it.

 

[Cerb]

I would actually like to see SSDs that are more reliable than mechanical disks, as promised when ssds started to emerge.

Samsung and Plextor have been awfully close, along with Intel's 510 (mentioned). I would also keep an eye on LAM (if there's a good Black Friday sale on the Neutrons, I'm getting one ).

It's happening, but it has been a bumpy road, with performance-over-all-else selling early on.

 

[smangular]

Samsung and Plextor have been awfully close, along with Intel's 510 (mentioned). I would also keep an eye on LAM (if there's a good Black Friday sale on the Neutrons, I'm getting one ).

It's happening, but it has been a bumpy road, with performance-over-all-else selling early on.

Oh What do you like about LAM - Corsair Neutrons, regarding reliability? They are brand new which is not usually a good thing

 

[Cerb]

Oh What do you like about LAM - Corsair Neutrons, regarding reliability? They are brand new which is not usually a good thing

That the drives themselves are fairly new, and they have good all-around performance, including when tortured, and the controller company is coming down from an arena where reliability counts more than speed. They're a drive I wouldn't buy for someone else, right now, but I want to try them .