Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Abortion is an interesting issue. Is about a war between the absolute and the relative.
If life is not absolutely sacred then somebody somewhere can and probably will decide that your life is worthless. Our country is founded on the notion that life liberty and the pursuit of happiness are inalienable rights, that there is nobody who can take them away.
On the other hand, when you subscribe to the notion that truth is absolute a number of problems arise, not the least of which is that whatever YOU happen to think is truth you then DEFINE as the absolute when if fact it is only your personal delusion. Also there is the matter of competing absolutes and how to prioritize them. If a fetus has a right to life, then the mother can't be free from a form of bondage and slavery. Here we see the absolutists blame such mothers as morally culpable because they had sex and therefore have to live with the resultant slavery. So these nice life preserving folk become negative and evil in their opinions of women as it were.
Question for you, Moonbeam: If a man has sex with a woman and gets her pregnant, and she decides to keep it, is he "morally culpable" for the care and upbringing of the child (at least, financially)? What if he used a condom (which failed, as does happen), and offered to pay for an abortion, which she refused? Why should he be beholden to this child he did not want for the next 18+ years? Your thoughts?
I am an absolutist. It's tough shit for him. He is a slave both to the wish of the mother and his legal obligations to a real breathing and living child. Sorry, but if you want to fuck, know you could be fucking yourself or maybe should be in the first place, if you're not. Everybody knows that a baby is a person and the law knows it too. Everybody also knows that to abort or not is solely the right of the woman.
Edit: One piece of good news I CAN offer you though is that at that point it is also too late for the MOTHER.
Actually, I disagree with none of that, but if you can be such an absolutist with the father, why not with the mother?
