New Russian Drug Problem: WARNING Photo is disturbing beyond words.

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Saint Nick

Lifer
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It's not real. The ulna (the bone of the forearm that connects with the humerus/upper arm) doesn't look like that. The proximal end (that connects to the upper arm) does not flare out like it does in the picture. In fact, that looks like someone took a defleshed lower leg and shopped it onto the arm, because that looks like a tibia.
Are you a forensic anthropologist?
 

Gigantopithecus

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Are you a forensic anthropologist?

I'm a physical anthropologist. Forensics is not my specialty (osteology and genetics are), but my MS training involved a lot of forensics casework and labwork. A physical anthropologist with training in osteology can identify bones and fragments of bones even if they're not nominally a forensic anthropologist.
 

jupiter57

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DVK916.jpg

Ooooh, striking resemblance!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/Locut0s/IMGP1179.jpg
 

MotF Bane

No Lifer
Dec 22, 2006
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I'm a physical anthropologist. Forensics is not my specialty (osteology and genetics are), but my MS training involved a lot of forensics casework and labwork. A physical anthropologist with training in osteology can identify bones and fragments of bones even if they're not nominally a forensic anthropologist.

Does the TV show "Bones" make you rage over inaccuracies?
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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Nah, the ulna flares a bit proximally, but nowhere near that much. I'm not at the lab so I can't snap a few more appropriate shots, this will have to suffice:

Fig-293-Posterior-view-of-bones-of-elbow.jpg


The tibia gets pretty narrow mediolaterally, that's not a remarkably small tibia.

tibia.jpg


Plus, you can pretty clearly see substantial rugosity (bumpiness) of the bone where I've indicated with an arrow - this type of bony growth only happens when a powerful muscle repeatedly pulls on the origin/anchoring bone. There's nothing that powerful that originates that distally on the ulna, but that's right where tibialis anterior originates on the tibia. Tibialis anterior is the shin splints muscle - it's more than powerful enough to cause the observed roughening.

NSFW http://i.imgur.com/kyBvC.jpg

I've pulled both out of cadavers multiple times, and while I see what you're saying, I still don't think you're necessarily correct. Depending on the orientation of her forearm, the radius could be tucked right behind the ulna. I still have my doubts about the authenticity of the image, but after watching a few of the videos, I've gotta say ... It just may be real.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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He also thinks proper humans have been on earth twice as long as any credible source tells us. He may know his stuff but I have a hard time believing him anymore.

your avatar is perfectly suited to the fail contained within this post.

lolzerz
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I've pulled both out of cadavers multiple times, and while I see what you're saying, I still don't think you're necessarily correct. Depending on the orientation of her forearm, the radius could be tucked right behind the ulna. I still have my doubts about the authenticity of the image, but after watching a few of the videos, I've gotta say ... It just may be real.

I don't think he's doubting the condition or the videos. it's just that the image posted in the OP looks to be chopped. Like they took the leg of someone suffering the same condition and put it in place of the arm.

Does it not look oddly over-sized?
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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It's fake. She'd be dead with that wound. This isn't anything different than the inhaling-poop-gas drug bullshit.
 

Gigantopithecus

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I don't think he's doubting the condition or the videos. it's just that the image posted in the OP looks to be chopped. Like they took the leg of someone suffering the same condition and put it in place of the arm.

Does it not look oddly over-sized?

It is oddly over-sized. It's also clearly the result of trauma that involved burning and some sort of defleshing. The charring is clearly visible at multiple spots. The video looks real, and more accurately depicts the type of tissue destruction drug abuse causes. The tissue in the original picture is healthy (aside from being traumatized and burned, ha) with good vascularization, whereas drug abuse causes the more mummified-looking nastiness seen in the video. Drug abuse causes vessels to essentially disintegrate, which then leads to necrosis of the surrounding tissues. That's why you don't see meth wounds bleeding profusely, you just see gross dead tissue.
 

AMDZen

Lifer
Apr 15, 2004
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Whether the photo is real or not, I can promise you that this home-made drug their referencing in this article truly does destroy tissue in a similar fashion and if there was a real pic out there it would be equally disgusting.

So arguing over if its real or not is completely irrelevant.
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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Where is the radius? Remember the fibula runs alongside the tibia like the radius runs alongside the ulna.



Good thing you're not one of my students, haha. The problem with playing expert on the internet and citing Wikipedia articles is that you occasionally run into someone who wrote the scientific paper that the Wikipedia article cites. :p

It's cute you think I'm serious. I'm rattling your chains mate. You seem to know your stuff well enough, but this is the internet. If I'm not screwing with somebody then what's the point? I don't know the first thing about anatomy, or the history of humans.

My knowledge is pretty much limited to celebrity nude scenes and metallurgy.
 

Nik

Lifer
Jun 5, 2006
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Whether the photo is real or not, I can promise you that this home-made drug their referencing in this article truly does destroy tissue in a similar fashion and if there was a real pic out there it would be equally disgusting.

So arguing over if its real or not is completely irrelevant.

Oh, okay. I'll take the word of some anonymous internet fanboy troll over anything else I read. I trust you!
 

AMDZen

Lifer
Apr 15, 2004
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Oh, okay. I'll take the word of some anonymous internet fanboy troll over anything else I read. I trust you!

Its not like I really care, I've heard stories from people who live in Russia. The drug really does destroy tissue in a similar manner. Any article you find on this home made drug will agree, if you weren't a douche bag you can just scour the Internet and find out for yourself - you don't need to take mine or anyone elses word for it.

Are you implying that you've read articles that say something else? Because you haven't.