New Robocop (1987) sequel

[renz20003]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/robocop-will-ride-again-in-robocop-returns-from-directo-1827516322

That about sums it up

 

[ImpulsE69]

Hmm story is by the original writer...and NB directing? Could be interesting. Can't possibly be worse than the reboot...well..yes it can. Even the reboot was better than Robocop 3

 

[purbeast0]

“The original definitely had a massive effect on me as a kid,” Blomkamp said. “I loved it then and it remains a classic in the end of 20th Century sci-fi catalog, with real meaning under the surface.

LOLWUT?

I must have missed the real meaning to Robocop. Anyone care to explain it to me?

 

[Exterous]

Oh good - another unoriginal movie idea. Personally I can't wait for transformers 12 and hotel transylvania 7

 

[renz20003]

LOLWUT?

I must have missed the real meaning to Robocop. Anyone care to explain it to me?

It was an extremely satirical film of 1980s society and business. The 6000 SUX comes to mind with its 4 mpg fuel rating.

 

[purbeast0]

It was an extremely satirical film of 1980s society and business. The 6000 SUX comes to mind with its 4 mpg fuel rating.

I know but I did not realize that satire means it has "real meaning" like he claims.

I guess Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood also has real meaning too since it's a satire on living in crappy places in California.

 

[Homerboy]

LOLWUT?

I must have missed the real meaning to Robocop. Anyone care to explain it to me?

"I'd buy that for a dollar!'

 

[rstrohkirch]

The real meaning behind Robocop is that if you work for a large highly successful company that essentially controls half of a metropolitan city...you want to be high up on the ladder because hookers and cocaine. But not too ambitious that you try and overstep the next in line CEO because he will murder you. At which point you'll be stuck in B movie stardom for the rest of your career. So, know you place and enjoy what you have. How is that not real meaning?

 

[IronWing]

Well, f* me. For years I had been under the false impression that the 6000 SUX ad was from Blade Runner. I guess Robocop was slightly better than I recall.

 

[Homerboy]

Also toxic waste is a bitch

 

[dave_the_nerd]

I know but I did not realize that satire means it has "real meaning" like he claims.

I guess Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood also has real meaning too since it's a satire on living in crappy places in California.

Of course satire has "real meaning." There's a message, usually a pretty serious one, they're just presenting/framing it in a humorous way.

 

[zinfamous]

I know but I did not realize that satire means it has "real meaning" like he claims.

I guess Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood also has real meaning too since it's a satire on living in crappy places in California.

Don't be a Menace was a direct spoof of the "ghetto" movies that were all over the place those days: Juice, Boyz in da Hood, Menace, etc. In retrospect, it's sort of the original "genre spoof" movie, like the Scary Movie franchise.

Robocop is Voerhoven, I think? That dude is pretty smart and there is always something going on with his films (uh, well maybe not so much with Showgirls, lol). Robocop came out at a time when urban crime and violence was the greatest terror in the country, with most demographers and criminologists making crazy predictions like how at the current rate, NY and other cities, like Detroit, would essentially be populated only by murderers and run by gangs by 1995. It was also the height of extreme commercialism, driven by the euphoric cocaine-induced delusions of the Reagan set. Robocop manages to capture all of that: society becomes generally paralyzed to unchecked crime, unable and unwilling to do anything about it, largely because all they need is there TVs to keep them happy and intoxicated. Robocop also has a bit of the Golem fable going for him: The champion created by a paralyzed, terrified community that has the potential to turn on and destroy that community. Then there's the standard, if not facile Deus ex machina going on because hey, let's just call it Sci Fi?

 

[IronWing]

Don't be a Menace was a direct spoof of the "ghetto" movies that were all over the place those days: Juice, Boyz in da Hood, Menace, etc. In retrospect, it's sort of the original "genre spoof" movie, like the Scary Movie franchise.

Robocop is Voerhoven, I think? That dude is pretty smart and there is always something going on with his films (uh, well maybe not so much with Showgirls, lol). Robocop came out at a time when urban crime and violence was the greatest terror in the country, with most demographers and criminologists making crazy predictions like how at the current rate, NY and other cities, like Detroit, would essentially be populated only by murderers and run by gangs by 1995. It was also the height of extreme commercialism, driven by the euphoric cocaine-induced delusions of the Reagan set. Robocop manages to capture all of that: society becomes generally paralyzed to unchecked crime, unable and unwilling to do anything about it, largely because all they need is there TVs to keep them happy and intoxicated. Robocop also has a bit of the Golem fable going for him: The champion created by a paralyzed, terrified community that has the potential to turn on and destroy that community. Then there's the standard, if not facile Deus ex machina going on because hey, let's just call it Sci Fi?

And here I thought it was just more gun porn.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I thought the moral of the story was Detroit was and is still a shithole

 

[K1052]

And here I thought it was just more gun porn.

I think if you cross Robocop with The Running Man you get what the US will probably look like during Trump's 4th term.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I think if you cross Robocop with The Running Man you get what the US will probably look like during Trump's 4th term.

You forgot Idiocracy.

 

[K1052]

I'm consoled here that at least I largely like Blomkamp's work and it couldn't possibly be worse than the last remake.

Still pissed about the horrible Total Recall remake though. If you're going to redo Verhoeven at least do a not totally shitty job.

 

[purbeast0]

And here I thought it was just more gun porn.

It is. People need to try and pick apart everything.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You forgot Idiocracy.

President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho recognized that he wasn't the most intelligent person in the world, and surrounded himself by the brightest in the nation in an attempt to solve his country's problems in the worst of conditions. We could only hope for a president like him.

 

[William Gaatjes]

It would be great if Paul Verhoeven gets involved again.
I sure liked how the movie then has some analogies with what happens today.

 

[zinfamous]

It is. People need to try and pick apart everything.

It really isn't though. You should ask Verhoeven, maybe. The dude made it and he didn't make it as simple gun porn.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Even the reboot was better than Robocop 3

Robocop 3 was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. And I've seen all 6 Leprechauns and all of those were b better than Robo 3.

 

[purbeast0]

It really isn't though. You should ask Verhoeven, maybe. The dude made it and he didn't make it as simple gun porn.

No matter what he says, making a "satire" of a crappy city in Detroit still isn't a "real meaning" in my mind. It's just semantics at this point.

 

[renz20003]

Robocop 3 was one of the worst movies I have ever seen. And I've seen all 6 Leprechauns and all of those were b better than Robo 3.

Robocop 3 is still better than Independence Day 2

My parents took me to robocop 2 in the theater. I was 5...

I miss the 90s

 

[zinfamous]

No matter what he says, making a "satire" of a crappy city in Detroit still isn't a "real meaning" in my mind. It's just semantics at this point.

Hey, you look at film for the surface, bang bang and shooty, bamalam and done. Nothing wrong with that, at all.

Others appreciate much of film for the far more serious work that goes into it, the foundations of story craft that go back generations, the very real and often very clear messaging. Because you don't see it and don't believe it, doesn't mean it isn't there and it isn't intentional and that others with a rather well-trained eye for this stuff and a bit of experience with film history and craft and production, don't also see it and appreciate it.

We were never arguing that we see things differently: you actually said that it isn't there because "I don't see it." That's just silly. Also, only you said that it is just "satire of a crappy city." This both doesn't make much sense and isn't really all that interesting. It's not a satire about a crappy city: it's about mass, societal paralysis in the face of a rising tide of violence (this was very real stuff at the time that Robocop was made. It was made as a response to what was actually happening at the time, which is pretty much what good movies and good books do)

Robocop is indeed pretty stupid on the surface and anyone could be forgiven for thinking that it's just about robots shooting at each other, but it is both meant to be sort of stupid (it's very pulp), but is also a very representative product of the time in which it was made. It has mass appeal in that way.

Do you also think that Verhoeven's Starship Troopers is only about shooting big bugs with guns?