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Bicen

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I decided to put down some good money to build a system for college, the computer will be used for gaming, graphic design... and yes those late night 50 page reports. I just need suggestions and some constructive critisizm on what Ive thrown together so far, Ive done a tad of research but Im still fairly new to the whole PC building thing, so here it goes...

-Lian Li PC-61 USB Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

-ASUS AX850XTP/HTVD/256M/A Radeon X850XTPE 256MB GDDR3 AGP 4X/8X Video Card

-ASUS A8V-E Deluxe ATX AMD Motherboard

-Sky Hawk/Eagle Tech POWERONE SERIES ATX-GM570PC ATX 12V, EPS 12V, AMD ATX-GES 570W Power Supply

-AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego Integrated into Chip FSB Socket 939 Processor Model ADA4000BNBOX

-CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model Twinx2048-3200c2

-SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive

-Western Digital Raptor WD360GD 36.7GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive

-Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 ST3200826AS 200GB 7200 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive

-SAMSUNG 915N-Black 19" 8ms LCD Monitor

-SONY Studio Monitor MDR-V700DJ PlugStraight, Gold-plated, stereo UniMatch plug with fixed miniplug and detachable phone plug Connector DJ Headphones

-LITE-ON Black IDE CD Burner Model SOHR-5239S BK RTL

-NEC Black IDE DVD Burner Model ND-3520A-KIT-BLU

-CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS Platinum 70SB035000003 8 (7.1) Channels PCI Interface Sound Card


right now all of this comes to around 2600, which is my budget. Like i said, if you can give suggestions id be greatful since Im not the best with my hardware knowledge... The two main things im not sure about is the motherboard and the graphics card. I couldnt decide between the ati x850 plat or the geforce 6800ultra 512 meg.

Thanks for the help,
Bicen



 
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All looks good to me, you might want to drop the level of some components to save moey for upgrades ect, but you have a killer rig their...

Except 1. The power supply...DO NOT go with a cheap no name PSU like i think you have there, i have never heard of the name and a bad POS PSU can fry all your components and cuase all sorts of problems...the PSU is one of the most important parts of a computer...for that system i would recomend the OCZ 520w ModStream....they are solid PSU's and are of great quality, plus they have modular cables, which detach if you do not need them making your case neater...

Second, you do noot need the the 6800Ultra 512meg....that is an extreme waste of money becuase you will not benefit at this time buying a 512mb card....Get the regular 6800ultra or x850plat...

You might also want to wait for next gen cards and buy a x800 right now....and of course there is always dual core to look forward too


will you be OC'ing?
 
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hmm well i chose that power supply because of the cord managment system that comes with it, i wanted to get an aspire but Ive heard bad things about the 20 to 24 pin adapter. I wont need to overclock now but i will in a year or so and thats when ill buy a new heatsink or maybe even water cooling. Also is that ocz 520w enough to power this system? I think the gfx card alone takes around 300 watts.
 
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Your video card does not take 300W alone. They may say in the requirements requires 300W powersupply. But they do not mean it needs 300W just for itself. They are consindering other components usuage as well on it. You shouldn't even reach the max power of that 520W, probably bee in the 400W range during load. Good to have that extra backup though.
 
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wow you rich people -_-

520W is more than enough. It's even adequate for people who run SLI setups. You MUST get a good brand PSU otherwise you will regret.
San Diego is a waste if you don't overclock it staright away. They overclocks pretty well EVEN using basic cooler. But you can always get a good heatsink for maybe 30 bucks, which should be very affordable to you.

If you are overclocking sooner or later get a DFI LanParty UT nForce 4 Ultra / SLI motherboard
I can't recommend you the fastest RAM OCZ Gold VX since you are going for 2GB system RAM. Gold VX are available in only 2*512 favour
Or you can populate 4 slots with a sacrifice on command timing.
And I wouldn't recommend SLI though. But if you are incredibly rich then...


Also you are using 19" monitor. In that case 512MB graphic card is OVERKILL
Absolutely NO performance gain running under resolutions of 1600*1200 without all the FSAA/AF on. 19" monito's native resolution is 1280*1024 so 512MB graphic card is a WASTE
Save some money for your next upgrade
 
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Bicen

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i just took a look at that psu that son of a n00b was talking about and it looks pretty nice, I think ill take that one over the one I have. It looks similar to the ultra products modular power supply i was looking at, at www.ultraproducts.com so thats a plus.
 
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hmm well I'd recoomend staying close to popular brands, no matter what features it has. Just for safety.
570W is overkill anyway, and on electricity bills
 
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Bicen

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Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
wow you rich people -_-

520W is more than enough. It's even adequate for people who run SLI setups. You MUST get a good brand PSU otherwise you will regret.
San Diego is a waste if you don't overclock it staright away. They overclocks pretty well EVEN using basic cooler. But you can always get a good heatsink for maybe 30 bucks, which should be very affordable to you.

If you are overclocking sooner or later get a DFI LanParty UT nForce 4 Ultra / SLI motherboard
I can't recommend you the fastest RAM OCZ Gold VX since you are going for 2GB system RAM. Gold VX are available in only 2*512 favour
Or you can populate 4 slots with a sacrifice on command timing.
And I wouldn't recommend SLI though. But if you are incredibly rich then...


Also you are using 19" monitor. In that case 512MB graphic card is OVERKILL
Save some money for your next upgrade
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first off, Im not really sure how to overclock, this is my first AMD coming from a background of pentiums, but if you say I should i suppose I will. The only reason I was going to wait is because it isnt really needed with what is out right now and I heard overclocking wears down the CPU, which may be incorrect. I was also going to get the DFI lanparty until yesterday because someone told me that there was a problem because it only had pci-e x4 or something, not very fluent with what that means. I really liked the DFI board because I read about it from a review on this site, maybe ill change back.

I was thinking SLI as well but it wont make much of a difference at this point and it saves me 200 bucks to stick with 1 card, I can always get a new card in a year or 2 which will out perform the 2 6800GTs. I was also looking at that OCZ ram and almost bought it but I decided to go with this ram which is 2-3-2-5 instead of 2-2-2-5, was hoping that didnt make a huge difference plus it would save me 2 slots and money for down the road if i wanted to add more.
 
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Bicen

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Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
hmm well I'd recoomend staying close to popular brands, no matter what features it has. Just for safety.
570W is overkill anyway, and on electricity bills
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i dont think OSU cares about how much power i suck from them =P, either that or I dont care heh.
 
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MobiusPizza

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Originally posted by: Bicen

first off, Im not really sure how to overclock, this is my first AMD coming from a background of pentiums, but if you say I should i suppose I will. The only reason I was going to wait is because it isnt really needed with what is out right now and I heard overclocking wears down the CPU, which may be incorrect.
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San Diego's so expensive not only because it's got 1MB cache; it's because the multiplier is unlocked which means good for overclocking.
The CPU won't be wear down if you don't set the voltage too high and let the temperature runs high. Generally if you can keep the temperature around 50 degrees it would be fine.

Originally posted by: Bicen
I was also going to get the DFI lanparty until yesterday because someone told me that there was a problem because it only had pci-e x4 or something, not very fluent with what that means. I really liked the DFI board because I read about it from a review on this site, maybe ill change back.
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Nope. DFi's board has PCI-Express x16 AS WELL AS PCI-Express x4
There are 2 slots there you can see. One is full x16 and one is x4
This is the only board in the market with x4 slot

The board can be moded to SLI capable
I think your souce meant if you mod it to SLI capable, 1 graphic card will have only X4
That's why.
 
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Bicen

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ah, I see. well I think I go back to the DFI board as my first instinct. and Ill have to read up more about overclocking because Im not really sure how to set the voltage and such. Was it a good idea to go with the San Diego over the new venice core with the 3800+? I read that the Venice wasnt really a new core but a San Diego just a little different.

I chose that moniter for gaming, I just want to make sure there isnt something better in the same price range, I was gonna get the Dell but they are kind of tedious to do business with and Im afraid my moniter will come months after I order it =P

Also should I stick with that ram?
 
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MobiusPizza

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I am not happy about the fact that the PSU is significantly cheaper than counter parts like Antec and Enemax
 
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Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
I am not happy about the fact that the PSU is significantly cheaper than counter parts like Antec and Enemax
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you lost me, how is this relevant? =P
 
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those PSU are supposed to be very nice but not a lot of info on them is available. however i did seee 2 reviews that compared them favorably to the ocz powerstreams. one of the mods(AG) at dfi.street actually uses the 570 one to run an sli set up with a bunch of hdd, ocing, etcstuff and he says its a very good psu.

edit-btw my search for the skyhawk was prior to the 2.0 compliancy issue. i haven't looked at them lately.
 
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MobiusPizza

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Originally posted by: Bicen
ah, I see. well I think I go back to the DFI board as my first instinct. and Ill have to read up more about overclocking because Im not really sure how to set the voltage and such. Was it a good idea to go with the San Diego over the new venice core with the 3800+? I read that the Venice wasnt really a new core but a San Diego just a little different.

I chose that moniter for gaming, I just want to make sure there isnt something better in the same price range, I was gonna get the Dell but they are kind of tedious to do business with and Im afraid my moniter will come months after I order it =P

Also should I stick with that ram?
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You can even overclock safely without setting the voltage. Which I recommend you to do as it's your first time. All options are in motherboard BIOS

Actually I'd recommend even getting a low end CPU say 3200+ and upgrade it in a year's time when dual cores X2 CPU drops cheaper. Well this is my opinion. It's your choice.
Sticking to Venice would save you a bit of money. It's a good overclocker as well.
Both Venice and SanDego is from the same generation of new cores.
 
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Bicen

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You know people have been telling me to wait for years and thats why I never buy anything, It really doesnt matter when or what I buy because within a few years Ill need an upgrade anyway so I might as well go ahead and get a decent 64 bit cpu.

rise4310 which PSU are you talking about?
 
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MobiusPizza

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Originally posted by: Bicen
Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
I am not happy about the fact that the PSU is significantly cheaper than counter parts like Antec and Enemax
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you lost me, how is this relevant? =P
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Pricing it cheaply means quality of components are worse, or else they are selling them under-profit
You pay for what you get :p

What do you like about that PSU anyway, I don't get it.
The modular design? OCZ has it
The Black finish and LED look nice with your black Lian-Li case? CoolerMaster has a decent PSU like that
 
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MobiusPizza

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Originally posted by: Bicen
You know people have been telling me to wait for years and thats why I never buy anything, It really doesnt matter when or what I buy because within a few years Ill need an upgrade anyway so I might as well go ahead and get a decent 64 bit cpu.

rise4310 which PSU are you talking about?
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The OCZ PowerStreams
 
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MobiusPizza

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Originally posted by: Bicen
just give me a newegg link to whatever you recommend haha, I really dont care about the PSU i was getting, I dont really like anything about it in particular, the OCZ one looks better http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104155
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Well that one then.
Try posting the topic "People shouldn't care whatever unknown brand PSU they're getting"
And you will probably be flamed by people here. :p
 
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