New rig specs...what do you think? + New Question

Dunadan

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Well, I have some serious butt kissing to do with the wife, but everything for the rig is ordered, except the CPU due to the price drops pending. What do you think? I figure an oc of 3.5 ghz (mem ration 5:4) should be easy?

Lian-Li PC-65B Aluminum Case w/ Side Panel Window
Abit IS7 865PE Motherboard
Intel P4 2.8C GHz w/ Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB
Thermalright SP-94 Heatsink + Thermaltake SMART CASE FAN II
1 GB (2 x 512MB) Crucial PC3200 Memory
Western Digital "Caviar? Special Edition 120GB 7200RPM EIDE Hard Drive
Aspire ATX 500 P4 Aluminum Power Supply
Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB AGP Card
Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
Lite-On 52X/32X/52X Internal CD RW
Lite-On 16X DVD-ROM / 48X CD-ROM
Sony 3.5-inch 1.44 MB Internal Floppy Disk Drive
Windows XP Home Edition
 

Dunadan

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Here's a review and some pics - Thermalright SP-94. In a nutshell here is what they say about how it cools -

The Heat Pipe Effect

We?ve discussed the theory behind heat pipe technology before, but for those of you unfamiliar with the concept, a heat pipe is a hollow tube filled with a small amount of liquid that boils at a fairly low temperature. As the fluid heats, it vaporizes and moves upward through the tube, away from the heat source, where it dissipates its heat, condenses back into liquid form, then flows back down to repeat the process. The theory is that a heat pipe can rapidly conduct the heat to an area farther from the source, where it can be more efficiently dissipated.

Add a fan on top and walla....an overclockers dream...I hope.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Is it just me or is that an SLK with heatpipes? NICE??? If I were you I would have gone with 3500 Ram for a better Oc but it is a good rig.
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: Dunadan
Well, I have some serious butt kissing to do with the wife, but everything for the rig is ordered, except the CPU due to the price drops pending. What do you think? I figure an oc of 3.5 ghz (mem ration 5:4) should be easy?

Lian-Li PC-65B Aluminum Case w/ Side Panel Window
Abit IS7 865PE Motherboard
Intel P4 2.8C GHz w/ Hyper Threading Technology 800 MHz FSB
Thermalright SP-94 Heatsink + Thermaltake SMART CASE FAN II
1 GB (2 x 512MB) Crucial PC3200 Memory
Western Digital "Caviar? Special Edition 120GB 7200RPM EIDE Hard Drive
Aspire ATX 500 P4 Aluminum Power Supply
Radeon 9800 PRO 128 MB AGP Card
Sound Blaster Audigy Gamer
Lite-On 52X/32X/52X Internal CD RW
Lite-On 16X DVD-ROM / 48X CD-ROM
Sony 3.5-inch 1.44 MB Internal Floppy Disk Drive
Windows XP Home Edition

Almost perfect. Consider the 2.6C if the 2.8C's dont drop in price a lot. It still o/cs well (although are getting some nice results with 2.8C's).

Also, did you order the HD yet? I would have gone SATA for sure, Maxtor or WD (or perhaps a Seagate 7200.7). I've never heard of Aspire. Do they make good PSU's? What's the +12V rail rated on that one? I guess you'll see how it performs once you get it. Personally, I'd recommend an Enermax or Antec 430W over another brand, but that Aspire one should be fine.

Minor qualms also, everything else is great.

Video Card - perfect.
CD/DVD setup - just great.
Memory - 1GB. Good stuff.
Motherboard - excellent.
HD and sound card -very nice.

It's going to be a kick@ss machine, for sure!
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: shady06
good system, wouldnt hold my breath for 3.5 ghz though. it may or may not happen


true...consider that ambitous!!! Still worth going for and a possibility.

I would seriously consider getting a used IC7 and a i875mobo...You can not use GAT and PAT on an i865pe mobo I believe without running 1:1 and with that ram you wont be doing that long with either the 2.6c or 2.8c if you think 3.5ghz ia attainable....
 

jiffylube1024

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: shady06
good system, wouldnt hold my breath for 3.5 ghz though. it may or may not happen


true...consider that ambitous!!! Still worth going for and a possibility.

I would seriously consider getting a used IC7 and a i875mobo...You can not use GAT and PAT on an i865pe mobo I believe without running 1:1 and with that ram you wont be doing that long with either the 2.6c or 2.8c if you think 3.5ghz ia attainable....

What is that Duvie? GAT and PAT?? And what does it do? And how do I use it on my IC7?? ;)
 

Duvie

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From my understanding from what I was told when I was doing my research on gettig a dual channel mobo (I was contemplating Asus p4p800, Abit Is7, and Abit IC7) was that the i865pe mobos only offered these accelerated type configuration (which I believed was only to be native to i875 mobos but contrary to INtels wishes many of the mobo manufacturers made available through bios enhancements these enhancements to the i865 chipset) when you do not run a 1:1 ratio.....

Therefore for most of us this will severly limit our ocs on 2.4c and 2.6c overclocking unless we have very expensive (lame timings) pc4000-pc4200 stuff. Therefore most have to use the 5:4 ratios with oc's like wishful author of this thread wants.

With the ic7 and i875mobos these enhancements stay available even when using a 5:4 ratio (not sure about 3:2 though) but you do loose all the memory gaming accerlator options (ie, street racer,etc.)

I don't know a whole lot about it but know everytime I brought it up I was discouraged by someone feeding me that info...
 

Mardeth

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Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: shady06
good system, wouldnt hold my breath for 3.5 ghz though. it may or may not happen


true...consider that ambitous!!! Still worth going for and a possibility.

I would seriously consider getting a used IC7 and a i875mobo...You can not use GAT and PAT on an i865pe mobo I believe without running 1:1 and with that ram you wont be doing that long with either the 2.6c or 2.8c if you think 3.5ghz ia attainable....

What is that Duvie? GAT and PAT?? And what does it do? And how do I use it on my IC7?? ;)

If your going for 3.5 I would sugget getting at least 3500.
 

Dunadan

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Thanks for the responses guys. I'll address a couple of your questions/comments and ask a few. My current rig is a Dell with Intel board so I have never been able to mess around with ocing. Much of what I think I can do is based on reading reviews, other people's comments, and working math with paper and pencil. Don't think I'm challenging any of your comments, just pointing out my rationale. Please educate me if I am wrong.

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Is it just me or is that an SLK with heatpipes? NICE??? If I were you I would have gone with 3500 Ram for a better Oc but it is a good rig.

You know, I went back and forth on this for a long time. For $100 more I could get the Corsar PC3500, or I could put that towards something else. I went with the later only after reading the following two articles.

865PE & 875P Memory Guide

While Corsair LL modules are certainly the best modules you can pair with an 865PE or 875P motherboard they are significantly more expensive than most other modules. Kingston HyperX or OCZ EL PC3200 modules are other excellent alternatives. However when it comes right down to it you can't beat Crucial in value. Since the difference between all five memory modules was very slim to begin with (the largest variance was 3% in one instance), Crucial's price advantage over Corsair is significant. In fact, buying two PC3200 Crucial modules is about 30% cheaper than buying two PC3200 Corsair LL modules (be it LL/TwinX or vanilla CAS2.0 modules).

Crucial PC3200 DDR RAM

Overclocking:
Honestly, who would have thought that the Crucial memory would have been very overclockable. We would have been very happy if it could have done tighter timings but 470MHz DDR, regardless is very good for PC3200 memory. Oddly, the memory only needed 2.65V to run absolutely stable at these high speeds. Almost all motherboards, that support overclocking, have options that go up to 2.8V. Perhaps someone else may have better results.

From my calculations I should never need more than 440 Mhz, but knowing that I can go up to 470 Mhz makes me comfortable.

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Almost perfect. Consider the 2.6C if the 2.8C's dont drop in price a lot. It still o/cs well (although are getting some nice results with 2.8C's).

Also, did you order the HD yet? I would have gone SATA for sure, Maxtor or WD (or perhaps a Seagate 7200.7). I've never heard of Aspire. Do they make good PSU's? What's the +12V rail rated on that one? I guess you'll see how it performs once you get it. Personally, I'd recommend an Enermax or Antec 430W over another brand, but that Aspire one should be fine.

Looks like the best prices out there right now are - 2.8C for $229; 2.6C for $193; 2.4C for $175. only $49 between the 2.4C and 2.8C. Why I picked the 2.8C.

I would like to add SATA down the road. Current rig doens't support SATA so I couldn't hook it up and copy my existing HD. Something I want to do to make things go smoother. Later I may add a small SATA drive to keep all my game stuff on, but for now the WD will be a big improvement for me. Currently I only have a 2MB cache.

Here is a link to the Aspire PSU >>> Aspire PSU Review. It got a good review, though I don't know mcuh about other PSU to compare it. It says that at +12V it has a DC output of 34A. Does that sound right? Here is a pic of the spec sticker >>>
PSU Spec Sticker.

Here are a couple cool pics. Why I wound up picking this PSU >>> Large View and Lights Out.

Now a couple questions >>> when ocing...what is the main factor that prevents you from going higher. Form what I have read, and the math I have done, running a 2.8C at 250FSB would get me to 3.5 Ghz (on paper). Using a 5:4 ration, my memory would be running at 400 Mhz. That tells me that the memory wouldn't be holding me up. Is it mainly heat on the CPU? So if my heat sink fan can handle the heat I am ok, or is it voltage? Again, I have never done any cpu/ram ocing because of my current system. Can anyone point out some of the finer details here?

Also, if 3.5 Ghz is pushing it, I have no problem running it slower...say a 225FSB giving me a 3.2 oc and leaving the ratio at 1:1 to give me memory at 450 Mhz (which the crucial has been shown to do). This is where I usually go back to pen and paper and compare the oc numbers for a 2.4C and a 2.6C. Anyone want to share some thoughts?

Thanks.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Wel it varies by system and by luck as to what each component can do. Some people get 3200 ram that will do 3700 without breaking a sweat but mine doesn't much like anything above 210 fsb because i am keeping pretty tight timings. I suppose I could loosen them but I will get to that later on i guess. Heat can be a major concern. It tends to depend on your testiculat fortitude. I do not know the temps for P4's as I am an athlon man now but with athlons I don't much mind pushing the envelope. I look at it as the cpu should last 10 years on stock, but I builda a new computer at least every 2 years so if it lasts that 2 I am hapy and if it lasts longer i am even happier. Realistically speaking 3.0 is all you should ever need. IMO anyone who gets more than a 2.4 is wasting money and anyone who pushes farther than 3.0 is doing soley for bragging rights. When you already have a system like that andyou are getting 200fps in UT2k3 and you oc it and you get 210 it is just a total waste. Anything above 3.0 is complete overkill. So yo know what I say you get the 2.4 and oc it to say 2.8, keep your timings tight, keep it 1:1 on the ram and enjoy. Once you get over 2.5ghz then ocing your video card 5mhz ram and gpu will give you about twice as much as 5 fsb. With my 2500+ on stock speeds with my video card at stock speeds i get 3600 in 3dmark 2k3. With my cpu oced to a 3200+ i get about 3800. If i oc it higher without touching the vid card i cannot break 3900. But when I oc it to 475/350 it breaks 4000.
 

Dunadan

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Thanks DerwenArtos12.

I wound up ordering the P4 2.4C for many of the reasons you and others pointed out. Just ordered my final parts yesterday, so by next weekend I should be able to start contributing here on benchies and stuff.

I have learned one thing building a pc....the male characteristic to always want MORE, BIGGER, FASTER, and STRONGER comes into full play. To preface, let me just say (at this time) I am mainly a gamer. Big time. Now back to my point...

For instance...

I know I probably don't need a 120 GB HD....but I got one. I also know that a second HD really won't be needed, unless I go with one of the new 10,000 RPM jobs for my game files, and even then it's not really needed.

I knew I didn't need a 2.8C that could (maybe oc to 3.5Ghz) but I almost bouhght one so I could.

I know the difference between 2.4, 2.8, and 3.0 isn't that big a deal for my gaming....I mean jeez....I'm going from a P4 1.8Ghz (400 FSB) non-HT rig with 512 MB RDRAM. The difference I see is going to be huge...I would never tell the difference in 200-400 Mhz.

I know at this time 1 GB of RAM is plenty....but dang if I'm not thinking that 2 GB has a nice sound to it.

So....not only is building a pc a fun, exciting process....it is also a test. A test of one of the single most important male characteristic....MORE IS BETTER :)