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bokster

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Hows it goin? I'm planning to build a new rig and I'm just wondering how it's going to do in the futureproofing department. I am aware that hardware gets better much quicker nowadays, but I'm looking to use this rig for the next two years. It's mostly for gaming, but I encode video and audio lots of times and always have bitcomet or newsbin running in the background.

CPU: AMD athlon 64 x2 4400+
Motherboard: eVGA nforce4 SLI
Video: eVGA GF-7800gt 256mb
Case: Antec p180
Memory: OCZ 2GB pc3200 Platinum
PSU: Enermax FMA 535w EG565P-VE
Hard Drive: Seagate 300GB Barracuda 7200 w/16mb cache

I was going to go for the GTX but I could get the GPU and Mobo bundled together for CAD$469, so I'm unsure what to do because of great savings. I plan to overclock and SLI a little later to keep up with the upcoming demands of games. I'm open to any suggestions. Thanks.
 

jimbob200521

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look like a good build, but you might want to get a different power supply. maybe forton, antec, something a little better if you plan on doing sli later on. as for the gt vs gtx, there is not too much of a difference, not enough to pay the difference, imo. i have the same mobo/video card you are getting, and i have been very happy with it.

also, welcome to the forums :)
 

alimoalem

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welcome to the forums bokster.

i'd consider the opteron 165 or 170 if i were u for the cpu

the bundled motherboard has a lot of good and bad reviews. it seems like you'll OC, seeing you're getting that OCZ platinum ram, so maybe a DFI ultra would be good for you

hdd: why not the western digital se16?

good choice on the ram
good choice on the video
psu isn't bad but a fortron 450w wouldn't be bad

don't get an SLI board in hopes of SLIing later on down the line. it never works out
 

Tostada

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An eVGA motherboard? I didn't even realize they made motherboards. I guess it has decent reviews.

If you're going to overclock, you should really get DDR500 memory so you can keep it synchronous. Getting nice memory isn't going to give you much benefit if you have to run it asynchronously when you overclock, so you might as well get the chapest RAM possible if you're getting PC3200. If you like OCZ, you can get OCZ Gold Rev2 PC4000 CL2.5 2x1GB for $164 on NewEgg, and it has a $20 rebate, so you can probably find it cheap in Canada, too.

Also, if you're already going to overclock, the X2 4400 is a waste of money. It really doesn't have anything going for it.

$295: X2 3800 = 200 x 10 = 2.0 GHz ... overclocked is 250 x 10 = 2.5 GHz
$460: X2 4400 = 200 x 11 = 2.2 GHz ... overclocked is 227 x 11 = 2.5 GHz
$329: Opteron 165 = 200 x 9 = 1.8 GHz ... overclocked is 278 x 9 = 2.5 GHz

They all overclock just about the same, but the X2 4400 costs a lot more. The Opteron is essentially the same thing as the X2 4400 except the multiplier is low enough that it really pushes your memory, but I know Mushkin PC4000 is pretty cheap and can run at on the 278 HTT at full-speed with stock timings and voltage.

Personally, I just got the X2 3800. Just pop it in and set the HTT to 250, then you're running at 2.5 GHz with your DDR500 running right at spec, and you can overclock higher if you want. I've got mine shut up in a desk with the stock heatsink and it's doing fine.

Looking at benchmarks that compare the X2 4400 (2.2GHz 2x1MB cache) and X2 4200 (2.2GHz 2x512KB cache), the performance boost you're getting from that extra cache is right around 1.0% to 1.5% in all the benchmarks I've seen (It's 1.1% faster in video encoding, and the highest is 4.8% faster in WinRAR). So, maybe you think that's worth paying $34 more for the Opteron 165 over the X2 3800, but it is harder on your memory. In the end, it's a bit of a toss-up, and most people choose the Opteron, but I think the X2 4400 is definitely the worst way to go because you're paying about $150 more for something that performs almost exactly the same as the other two.

That is, if you're going to overclock. If you weren't going to overclock, I think the X2 4400 is the best bang for the buck out there.



Originally posted by: jimbob200521
look like a good build, but you might want to get a different power supply. maybe forton, antec, something a little better if you plan on doing sli later on. as for the gt vs gtx, there is not too much of a difference, not enough to pay the difference, imo. i have the same mobo/video card you are getting, and i have been very happy with it.

also, welcome to the forums :)


Are you serious? You think Fortron and Antec make better PSUs than EnerMax? Fortron and Antec make really decent budget PSUs, but that's a $90 EnerMax. It's certainly not the PSU I would choose... I guess it is a pretty ancient model, and for that price the $90 Fortron Blue Storm 500W would probably be better... But just because the EnerMax looks old doesn't mean it is old. They're just now getting on the 120mm bandwagon with the Liberty.


 

GamerExpress

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I think it looks like a wonderful build, there is nothing wrong at all with any of it. Some people here like to pimp the Opterons, I wouldn't bother with one unless you are going to overclock. I also think that PSU you picked out should do just fine, I might think about going with a Fortron instead for the same price, but that's just an opinion.
 

Ike0069

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Originally posted by: Tostada
An eVGA motherboard? I didn't even realize they made motherboards. I guess it has decent reviews.

Tostada, where have youbeen? eVGA has been giving away this MB with 7800 VC purchases for many months now. It's just a rebadged Jetway, and has received mostly positive reviews. There are better MB's, but for the price it's very good (you actually pay a ~$75 more for that 788GT model, so the MB really costs about $75).


Originally posted by: Tostada
Are you serious? You think Fortron and Antec make better PSUs than EnerMax? Fortron and Antec make really decent budget PSUs, but that's a $90 EnerMax. It's certainly not the PSU I would choose... I guess it is a pretty ancient model, and for that price the $90 Fortron Blue Storm 500W would probably be better... But just because the EnerMax looks old doesn't mean it is old. They're just now getting on the 120mm bandwagon with the Liberty.

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I think the Enermax is a good choice. Enermax's are very good PSU's, but make sure to get one that is SLI ready if you plan on actually going SLI. Now "SLI ready" only means that it comes with 2 PCI-e connectors, but otherwise you will have to use up two 4-pin molex's for the extra PCI-e connector. If you have several 4-pin peripherials (IDE HD's, Optical drives, several case fans), then those extra two molexs might be in short supply.



 

bokster

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Thanks guys for the very useful feedback. So how do you guys think this rig will hold up for the next two years if I don't overclock or sli? I said I was planning, but I'm still leaning towards not doing that, which is why I came up with this rig in the first place. Regarding SLI, I've seen lots of benchmarks and reviews which show that it's not really what its all cracked up to be, so should I consider going for a lower watt psu to save around $30-$50? Or would sticking with the 535watt be better, since hardware is just getting more power hungry in the years to come.
 

Bobthelost

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No need at all for a 535W PSU, if you're not going SLI (i wouldn't) then a 400W would be fine, including sufficent room to upgrade.
 

bokster

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I actually have an extra 400watt psu, but I never used it because it cost ten dollars less than my 350watt fma enermax. The brand is "acepower". I couldn't find anything on the net about it so I didn't trust it. Have any of you guys ever heard of acepower? Is it decent?