New rig built, temps seem too high E6600/Tuniq

jmferraiolo

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I recently built the rig described below in my sig. I feel like I am having some kind of issue with heat, particularly under load.

I first built the system with the paste that comes with the Tuniq 120. I spread it all over the CPU heat spreader like I *thought* I was correct to do -- of course I later discovered that I was wrong. Anyway, with this setup, I was idling @ stock 2.4 ghz around 38c on both cores. This looked a little high to me. Using Intel TAT, I got up to about 54c under load. This seemed REALLY high for load @ stock. I wanted to quickly test the overclocking capabilities of the chip and see if the sucker would post at all at 9x400 before I took the whole rig apart to reapply AS5 (and in the proper way per their diagram). Much to my surprise, using 1.4v for vcore, northbridge, and fsb , it posted without any trouble at all. I ran Intel TAT just for grins and my idle of 52c shot up to 74c under load. I stopped it immediately.

I took the rig apart, took the Tuniq off and cleaned both it and the CPU with rubbing alcohol. I applied AS5 this time around in a straight line down the center of the chip and reattached the heatsink to the CPU and resumed testing.

I thought everything was fine when my idle @ stock went down to 32c idle and 46c load, but an overclocking test at 9x350 put my idles at 40c and TAT load to 66-68c... still too high.

I've read all these reports about how the Tuniq is supposed to do this super job cooling and the results I'm seeing are not in line with that at all. I know I am doing something wrong.

Possibilities:

Tuniq isn't seated properly -- on the EVGA board, the tuniq's fan comes in contact with the northbridge heatsink. This aside, it seems to sit flush in the socket, but maybe it isn't? It seems level but...

Screws too tight / too loose into the backplate? I had to trim some of the foam pad on the backplate so that the stupid little capacitor would sit correctly and that mounted flush on the back. But maybe I have the sink screwed down too tightly?

Have I mounted it in the wrong direction? See the picture here :

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8170/dsc0020dj4.jpg

Is my case fan system set up all wrong? I have a CM830, so the front fan in the 4x3 unit is intake, and the rear fan in the pic next to the CPU is exhaust. I added a 120mm on the top (exhaust) and I have 3 fans on the door (intake). The 4th can't fit because of the Tuniq. From what I understand, the tuniq's fan is both intake and exhaust together -- would the immediate proximity of the rear fan on the CM830 mess with temps this much? A lot of people have this setup, so I figured I'd have heard something about it.

Do I just have a bum Tuniq? I wouldn't think so, but I found the bottom finish on the copper to be pretty rough. I thought about lapping it, but I think my temp problems are far beyond lapping here...

I've already taken the thing apart once so the next time I do it, I want to make sure I do it right. Any help would be welcomed, particularly from users of this case/HSF setup.

Thanks!

E6600 - L30B stepping
Tuniq Tower 120
Stacker CM830
Teamgroup 4-4-4-12 DDR800
EVGA 680i
EVGA 8800 GTX
WD Raptor 150GB
Lite On 16x SATA DVD
 

Duvie

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Make sure the fan inside the tuniq is not working against the exhaust fan mounted behind it...they need to be pulling same dierction or they are working against one another.....

pull the fan out...check its direction of flow....if they are pulling opposite directions you will actually be starving the fan inside the tuniq from air...I have done this before on purpose to raise temps really high to test for throttle point...
 

jmferraiolo

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Right, but I thought the Tuniq fan is a special 9 blader that isn't like other fans in that the air doesn't flow in just one direction -- it pulls from one and exhausts from the other. At least thats what it says...
 

mc866

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I would try giving it a couple days, I had a similar situation, after a few days my temps decided to come down quite a bit. I have read that the AS5 has a break in period, you may just need to get through that. I was at 3.4 with my temps being in the high 60's at full load so I backed off to 3.2 for a few days and noticed my temps being much lower. I then cranked it back up to 3.4 and my temps now seem to stay below 63 at full load and around 42-43 at idle.
 

Mavtech

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They say AS5 has a 200 hour break in period. I have a Scythe Ninja Plus on my E6600. It is OCed to 3 GHZ right now. It's idles at about 43 degrees and 58-60 under full load with Prime95.
 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: jmferraiolo
Right, but I thought the Tuniq fan is a special 9 blader that isn't like other fans in that the air doesn't flow in just one direction -- it pulls from one and exhausts from the other. At least thats what it says...


That contradicts itself....It is still a standard 120mm fan when it pulls air in on one side and expels it to the other....That is commonsense!

I have a scythe Mine that works on same concept and it is still a standard fan...9 blades dont mean shite expect it potentially can rauise the cfm...
 

Duvie

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Introducing Sunbeams revolutionary Tuniq CPU Cooler. This CPU cooler features superior styling, mid-ship ventilation with a unique 9 blade fan right in the heart of the cooler, offering better performance than a standard 7 blade fan. Large heatsink and 3 heatpipes to dissipate heat faster and more efficiently. Fit's AMD K8 and Intel Pentium 4 applications. Fan controller included to tailor your performance to noise ratio. Thermal grease included, TX1 high performance.

This is from the tuniq tower..that is no special fan...works on same concept all fans works on...

It is probably doing what I said...just do what I told you to do...

Screw that break-in period answer...I use it all the time and it may only make 2-3c max...but you have to burn it in with several hours of load and then no load....idling wont break it in...

What rpm are you running the fan at? It says it has a controller so I suppose you could raise it up...
 

jmferraiolo

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May 11, 2005
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OK yeah after some more research today I think I was confused by their marketing hype. I also believe that I do have the sucker mounted backwards as it definitely has an exhaust side and an intake side. According to the post at : http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?t=103462&page=1 and the subsequent picture http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/...XP120%20Ninja%20Tuniq/Tuniqonbench.jpg , it would seem to indicate that I have the Tuniq intaking from the same spot my 120mm rear fan is exhausting from. The picture, according to the author of that post, says that the Tuniq is intaking from the vid card area and exhausting topside. I have mine oriented the other way.

I am running the fan without the rheostat so it should be maxxed out at 2000 whatever RPM.
 

Shimmishim

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simple fix.

take out the fan and NOT the whole heatsink fan unit.

look at the oreintation of the fan in the middle.

if the "tuniq" label is on the left side facing your exhaust fan, then your fan is oriented incorrectly.

if the "tuniq" label is on the right side then your fan is blowing air out to the exhaust.

assuming you have the orientation incorrect, all you have to do is flip the fan around (the fan unscrews from that black middle tab thing) or you can just flip the black middle tab thing w/o unscrewing the fan. the only issue with this is that the black metal tab thing won't line up properly with the pattern of the heatsink.
 

jmferraiolo

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May 11, 2005
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Hmm, I actually do have it mounted the right way. I removed the fan from the assembly and just felt the flow and I had it right. Thanks for the tip on that. I wonder if it can be mounted so that the fan is exhausting towards the top on a evga 680i, but I'm not going to take the whole assembly apart until I get my lapping kit. I want the next time I pull off the HSF to be my last!