New pricetag on Obama's Bail Out America plan

blackangst1

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My God. Of course the heart of this plan is increasing social programs via tax dollars (typical Democrat plan) but My God...if you think the deficit is bad now...just wait 4 years.

Obama stimulus could reach $1 trillion: report

NEW YORK (Reuters) - President-elect Barack Obama's team is considering a plan to boost the recession-hit U.S. economy that could be far larger than previous estimates and might reach $1 trillion over two years, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.

Obama aides, who were considering a half-trillion dollar package two weeks ago, now consider $600 billion over two years "a very low-end estimate," the newspaper said, citing an unidentified person familiar with the matter.

The final size of the stimulus was expected to be significantly higher, possibly between $700 billion and $1 trillion over that period, it said, given the deteriorating state of the U.S. economy.

Officials with Obama's camp have declined to comment on media reports about the size of the boost his administration might seek to give the economy through increased public spending and tax cuts.

Obama is due to take office on January 20.

Battered stock market investors around the world have taken heart from previous indications of how Obama's administration may seek to kickstart growth in the world's largest economy.

Obama has promised he will launch a massive public works program to help lift the U.S. economy out of recession.

The president-elect is likely to be briefed by his aides on the outline of the stimulus plan next week with a view to getting it passed by Congress by the time he is sworn in next month, the Journal said.

Economists have previously said they expect Obama to quickly sign a multi-year spending package that could be worth up to $750 billion, or almost 5 percent of U.S. gross domestic product.

The administration of President George W. Bush has been given authority by Congress to spend up to $700 billion in taxpayer money to rescue the nation's banking system.

The money was originally set aside to buy up toxic mortgage-backed securities but is now being used to recapitalize banks and induce them to lend more freely.
 

frostedflakes

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Half a year ago this would have been inconceivable, but now $1T just doesn't seem that crazy. We've been desensitized to government spending. :p

I mean it's a crapload of money, but if it works I think it will be worth it.
 

2Xtreme21

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Well at least we get to see something out of it, instead of what we got with the $700b we all gave to greedy CEO's.
 

AlienCraft

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Obama is bailing out BushCo. Inc.'s failed policies. It is what he signed up to do.
No one else garnered enough respect top get the job.
You cannot claim a title such as "Chief Executive" or "Commander in Chief" and escape responsibility for the current conditions. Unless of course, for plausible deniability, the mantra of the despotic for decades now.
"America" doesn't require bailing out.
"America" is a concept, a way of being.
 

sandorski

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This should not be a surprise. The last few months were clear indicators as to what was going to happen. Just be glad it's only $1Trillion. That said, I agree with 2xtreme, at least there will be concrete(no pun intended) improvements at the end. The idea of just mailing out cheques, whether to Corporations or Individuals, is just a bad one, if stimulating the Economy is the goal. Build a Road(for eg) and you Hire many, pay them well, collect some back in Taxes, Buy Materials from Suppliers, and have a new/improved Road that will be used for decades.
 

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All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....
 

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
My God. Of course the heart of this plan is increasing social programs via tax dollars (typical Democrat plan) but My God...if you think the deficit is bad now...just wait 4 years.

Obama stimulus could reach $1 trillion: report

NEW YORK (Reuters) - President-elect Barack Obama's team is considering a plan to boost the recession-hit U.S. economy that could be far larger than previous estimates and might reach $1 trillion over two years, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday.

Obama aides, who were considering a half-trillion dollar package two weeks ago, now consider $600 billion over two years "a very low-end estimate," the newspaper said, citing an unidentified person familiar with the matter.

The final size of the stimulus was expected to be significantly higher, possibly between $700 billion and $1 trillion over that period, it said, given the deteriorating state of the U.S. economy.

Officials with Obama's camp have declined to comment on media reports about the size of the boost his administration might seek to give the economy through increased public spending and tax cuts.

Obama is due to take office on January 20.

Battered stock market investors around the world have taken heart from previous indications of how Obama's administration may seek to kickstart growth in the world's largest economy.

Obama has promised he will launch a massive public works program to help lift the U.S. economy out of recession.

The president-elect is likely to be briefed by his aides on the outline of the stimulus plan next week with a view to getting it passed by Congress by the time he is sworn in next month, the Journal said.

Economists have previously said they expect Obama to quickly sign a multi-year spending package that could be worth up to $750 billion, or almost 5 percent of U.S. gross domestic product.

The administration of President George W. Bush has been given authority by Congress to spend up to $700 billion in taxpayer money to rescue the nation's banking system.

The money was originally set aside to buy up toxic mortgage-backed securities but is now being used to recapitalize banks and induce them to lend more freely.

New roads and bridges aren't "social programs".

 

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Sounds about right.

Go Obama.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
My God. Of course the heart of this plan is increasing social programs via tax dollars (typical Democrat plan) but My God...if you think the deficit is bad now...just wait 4 years.

Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Nothing but blaming Clinton and Obama from the Republican hacks, big surprise :roll:

I hope he spends more and more and more and more and more and more...

You guys till here? :laugh:
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: blackangst1
My God. Of course the heart of this plan is increasing social programs via tax dollars (typical Democrat plan) but My God...if you think the deficit is bad now...just wait 4 years.

Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Nothing but blaming Clinton and Obama from the Republican hacks, big surprise :roll:

I hope he spends more and more and more and more and more and more...

You guys till here? :laugh:

He can go ahead and spend more and more. I can sit back and collect checks with my new professional wow career.

If you can't beat em, join em.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Yeah but the difference is if Obama does it, it's ok ;)
 

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Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Oh Winnar. So is this latest recession Bush's fault or is it KKKlinton's too? No wait, let me guess... this one is Obama's fault.

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Yeah but the difference is if Obama does it, it's ok ;)

Bush's Deficit was largely caused by his own actions that didn't help the Economy much at all.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Oh Winnar. So is this latest recession Bush's fault or is it KKKlinton's too? No wait, let me guess... this one is Obama's fault.

That depends on whose fault the last recession was.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Oh Winnar. So is this latest recession Bush's fault or is it KKKlinton's too? No wait, let me guess... this one is Obama's fault.

Obama is truly a gifted one.

A recesssion all his fault before he takes office.

They are already readying the chisels at Mt Rushmore :D
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Yeah but the difference is if Obama does it, it's ok ;)

Bush's Deficit was largely caused by his own actions that didn't help the Economy much at all.

Funny, because tax revenue was reduced before the Bush tax cuts went into effect...
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Yeah but the difference is if Obama does it, it's ok ;)

Bush's Deficit was largely caused by his own actions that didn't help the Economy much at all.

Thats not the point. Obama has control over what HE proposes, and what HE gets passed. And, in usual DC fasion, he will grow the deficit larger than Bush.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Oh Winnar. So is this latest recession Bush's fault or is it KKKlinton's too? No wait, let me guess... this one is Obama's fault.

That depends on whose fault the last recession was.

I'm asking for your esteemed opinion.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Yeah but the difference is if Obama does it, it's ok ;)

Bush's Deficit was largely caused by his own actions that didn't help the Economy much at all.

Thats not the point. Obama has control over what HE proposes, and what HE gets passed. And, in usual DC fasion, he will grow the deficit larger than Bush.

Larger than this years Deficit? I doubt it, very much.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Oh Winnar. So is this latest recession Bush's fault or is it KKKlinton's too? No wait, let me guess... this one is Obama's fault.

Obama is truly a gifted one.

A recesssion all his fault before he takes office.

They are already readying the chisels at Mt Rushmore :D

The last recession began in 3rd quarter of 2000 (of course, those economic numbers were too high and were 'revised' lower after Clinton left office).

Of course, the media started the 'recession' mantra in March 2001 so Slick Willy could disappear.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Yeah but the difference is if Obama does it, it's ok ;)

Bush's Deficit was largely caused by his own actions that didn't help the Economy much at all.

Thats not the point. Obama has control over what HE proposes, and what HE gets passed. And, in usual DC fasion, he will grow the deficit larger than Bush.

Larger than this years Deficit? I doubt it, very much.

His term will be larger than Bush's first term, certainly. And probably his second, too.
 

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Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....
I think it was more about how the money was being spent than anything else. If we're going to spend $1T, I'd rather it be on public works projects that directly stimulate the economy, as opposed to tax breaks for the rich and the hope that a fraction of that money trickles down to middle and lower class families.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....
I think it was more about how the money was being spent than anything else. If we're going to spend $1T, I'd rather it be on public works projects that directly stimulate the economy, as opposed to tax breaks for the rich and the hope that a fraction of that money trickles down to middle and lower class families.

How did the tax cuts for the so called 'rich' that were primarily passed and accelerated in 2003 contribute to previous years' deficits?

We dumped money into Medicaid, education programs, homeland security, and Afghanistan. Which of the 4 is objectionable?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: winnar111
All the people who cried about Bush's deficit in 2001-2002 to pull us out of the Clinton recession are now changing their mind. Hmmm.....

Oh Winnar. So is this latest recession Bush's fault or is it KKKlinton's too? No wait, let me guess... this one is Obama's fault.

Obama is truly a gifted one.

A recesssion all his fault before he takes office.

They are already readying the chisels at Mt Rushmore :D

The last recession began in 3rd quarter of 2000 (of course, those economic numbers were too high and were 'revised' lower after Clinton left office).

Of course, the media started the 'recession' mantra in March 2001 so Slick Willy could disappear.

Like this Recession, the true begining is not known until well after the fact. Just 1-2 months ago people were still unsure if the Recession was started yet, but now we know that it had begun nearly 1 year ago.

Recessions are quite common with at least 1 a Decade. It doesn't really matter who is in charge or what the Policies are. What really differentiates Recessions are the scope of the Recession and their fallout. "Clinton's" Recession was quite mild. This Recession is a doozy that is flirting with Depression.