New polls show GOP willingness to subvert 2020 election

Amused

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This is absolutely terrifying.



(CNN)New polls released Thursday show just how far Republicans were willing to go to support then-President Donald Trump's unprecedented efforts to subvert the 2020 election.
The research was conducted by the Democracy Fund, a nonpartisan foundation that studies voter attitudes toward democratic institutions and works to strengthen democracy in the US.

Their polls found that after the election, a supermajority of Republicans backed Trump's efforts to overturn the results: 86% said his legal challenges were appropriate, 79% said they weren't confident in the national vote tally, and 68% said Trump really won. Another 54% said Trump should never concede, and a plurality said state legislatures should override the popular vote.

This set the stage for Trump, GOP lawmakers, and right-wing media outlets to continue pushing the lie that the election was "rigged," which Trump did yet again in a press release this week.

Additionally, only 34% of Trump voters said they would accept Biden as the legitimate president, according to the post-election polls. That pales in comparison to similar surveys conducted by Gallup after previous controversial elections -- 68% of Al Gore voters in 2000 accepted George W. Bush's legitimacy, and 76% of Hillary Clinton voters in 2016 accepted Trump's as president.

The organization was among the first to raise the alarm last summer about the potential for unprecedented political violence if the 2020 election was disputed -- warnings that became a reality with the January 6 attack on the US Capitol. They released the new polls as part of a series of reports about the manufactured "crisis of confidence" in US elections.

Robert Griffin and Mayesha Quasem, the researchers behind one of the reports, said the polls "suggest that voter confidence in the 2020 election was indeed different — and that continued doubts about election integrity among many Republicans raise concerns about the future."

A plurality of Republicans said it would be appropriate for GOP state lawmakers to assign electoral votes to Trump in states that he lost -- which is exactly what Trump was pressuring state and local GOP officials to do during the presidential transition, as his defeat settled in.

Republican governors and state lawmakers ultimately refused Trump's demands, which set the stage for the Trump-backed riot at the Capitol while the electoral votes were being counted.
In the wake of that attack, congressional Democrats have tried to pass expansive new voting rights laws. These efforts, so far, have failed. Meanwhile, GOP-run legislatures in battleground states like Texas and Georgia have passed new laws that roll back some access to the ballot.

The new polls found that the stage for these restrictive laws was set after the election, which prompted most Republicans to hold skewed perceptions about the prevalence of voter fraud.

Even though there was no widespread fraud, 75% of Trump supporters said there was "a lot of fraud" with mail-in ballots. Also, 20% of Trump supporters said there was a lot of fraud even with in-person voting -- a much smaller share to be sure, but a shockingly high figure, considering there are a miniscule number of documented cases of in-person fraud in any given election.

On the other hand, only 2% of Biden supporters said after the election that there had been "a lot of fraud" in mail-in voting or in-person voting. These people also expressed strong confidence in the overall results -- and their confidence soared after Biden won, according to the surveys.

"We should hardly be surprised that Democrats had more confidence in the 2020 electoral results than Republicans did. Winners always have more confidence in the results. "But the 2020 election stands out compared to previous elections," said Lee Drutman, a senior fellow at the center-left New America Foundation, who wrote one of the reports released on Thursday.

The online surveys were conducted by the Democracy Fund and YouGov shortly after the presidential election on November 3, 2020. Nearly 5,000 people participated in the polls.
 

hal2kilo

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This is absolutely terrifying.



(CNN)New polls released Thursday show just how far Republicans were willing to go to support then-President Donald Trump's unprecedented efforts to subvert the 2020 election.
The research was conducted by the Democracy Fund, a nonpartisan foundation that studies voter attitudes toward democratic institutions and works to strengthen democracy in the US.

Their polls found that after the election, a supermajority of Republicans backed Trump's efforts to overturn the results: 86% said his legal challenges were appropriate, 79% said they weren't confident in the national vote tally, and 68% said Trump really won. Another 54% said Trump should never concede, and a plurality said state legislatures should override the popular vote.

This set the stage for Trump, GOP lawmakers, and right-wing media outlets to continue pushing the lie that the election was "rigged," which Trump did yet again in a press release this week.

Additionally, only 34% of Trump voters said they would accept Biden as the legitimate president, according to the post-election polls. That pales in comparison to similar surveys conducted by Gallup after previous controversial elections -- 68% of Al Gore voters in 2000 accepted George W. Bush's legitimacy, and 76% of Hillary Clinton voters in 2016 accepted Trump's as president.

The organization was among the first to raise the alarm last summer about the potential for unprecedented political violence if the 2020 election was disputed -- warnings that became a reality with the January 6 attack on the US Capitol. They released the new polls as part of a series of reports about the manufactured "crisis of confidence" in US elections.

Robert Griffin and Mayesha Quasem, the researchers behind one of the reports, said the polls "suggest that voter confidence in the 2020 election was indeed different — and that continued doubts about election integrity among many Republicans raise concerns about the future."

A plurality of Republicans said it would be appropriate for GOP state lawmakers to assign electoral votes to Trump in states that he lost -- which is exactly what Trump was pressuring state and local GOP officials to do during the presidential transition, as his defeat settled in.

Republican governors and state lawmakers ultimately refused Trump's demands, which set the stage for the Trump-backed riot at the Capitol while the electoral votes were being counted.
In the wake of that attack, congressional Democrats have tried to pass expansive new voting rights laws. These efforts, so far, have failed. Meanwhile, GOP-run legislatures in battleground states like Texas and Georgia have passed new laws that roll back some access to the ballot.

The new polls found that the stage for these restrictive laws was set after the election, which prompted most Republicans to hold skewed perceptions about the prevalence of voter fraud.

Even though there was no widespread fraud, 75% of Trump supporters said there was "a lot of fraud" with mail-in ballots. Also, 20% of Trump supporters said there was a lot of fraud even with in-person voting -- a much smaller share to be sure, but a shockingly high figure, considering there are a miniscule number of documented cases of in-person fraud in any given election.

On the other hand, only 2% of Biden supporters said after the election that there had been "a lot of fraud" in mail-in voting or in-person voting. These people also expressed strong confidence in the overall results -- and their confidence soared after Biden won, according to the surveys.

"We should hardly be surprised that Democrats had more confidence in the 2020 electoral results than Republicans did. Winners always have more confidence in the results. "But the 2020 election stands out compared to previous elections," said Lee Drutman, a senior fellow at the center-left New America Foundation, who wrote one of the reports released on Thursday.

The online surveys were conducted by the Democracy Fund and YouGov shortly after the presidential election on November 3, 2020. Nearly 5,000 people participated in the polls.
Just saw something about this on MSNBC. What the hell has happened to these nuts. So, it's if my politician/party doesn't win, it must be fraud as a default fallback.
 

Jhhnn

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Don't buy into the clickbait. Those surveys' value is strictly historical. I'm putting zero faith in online surveys completed shortly after the election. If rank & file GOP voters actually believed that, then the turnout for the insurrection obviously would have been much larger. But that didn't happen no matter how desperately Trump tried to froth them up. Shee-it, Sherlock. They'll talk that shit for the delicious Libruhl tears alone.
 

MrSquished

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I will say I've been pretty consistent for a while now. The GQP is a majority fascist party that are the enemies of democracy.

This is not a drill. These people are happy to be Nazis or brownshirts.

These are not good people.
 

zinfamous

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yeah, that was Nov 3rd. Emotions flaring high that day, especially for folks with a disposition towards illiteracy, incest, and bed-wetting terror (literally, every single Trump voter).

I imagine many of them calmed down well before the rest of them did the insurrection.
 
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UNCjigga

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These people no longer live in reality. Half of them are just biding their time waiting for the Rapture and have convinced themselves they are worthy of Heaven.
 
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Indus

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It's time for a divorce. You can't live with these people under the same house.
 
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ch33zw1z

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Don't buy into the clickbait. Those surveys' value is strictly historical. I'm putting zero faith in online surveys completed shortly after the election. If rank & file GOP voters actually believed that, then the turnout for the insurrection obviously would have been much larger. But that didn't happen no matter how desperately Trump tried to froth them up. Shee-it, Sherlock. They'll talk that shit for the delicious Libruhl tears alone.

Our country still dodged a bullet. The insurrection wasn't anything to shrug at, if it had been more successful, GOP voters as a whole would be celebrating their victory.
 
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Jhhnn

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Our country still dodged a bullet. The insurrection wasn't anything to shrug at, if it had been more successful, GOP voters as a whole would be celebrating their victory.

I think it's more important to understand the reality of what happened than what we fear might have happened. It was a last chance Quixotic effort on Trump's part doomed to fail from the start, as actual events illustrate quite plainly.
 

HomerJS

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Don't buy into the clickbait. Those surveys' value is strictly historical. I'm putting zero faith in online surveys completed shortly after the election. If rank & file GOP voters actually believed that, then the turnout for the insurrection obviously would have been much larger. But that didn't happen no matter how desperately Trump tried to froth them up. Shee-it, Sherlock. They'll talk that shit for the delicious Libruhl tears alone.
I guess you missed the part where Republicans passed all kinds of laws around the various states giving Republican legislators the power to overturn election results in those states. Think they won't do it. What do you think that entire Arizona cyber ninja exercise is about? To set the predicate for the next elections.

Don't be naïve.
 

Jhhnn

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I guess you missed the part where Republicans passed all kinds of laws around the various states giving Republican legislators the power to overturn election results in those states. Think they won't do it. What do you think that entire Arizona cyber ninja exercise is about? To set the predicate for the next elections.

Don't be naïve.

That proposal has been made in AZ & passed into law nowhere. They've concentrated on restricting voting rights.
 

HomerJS

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That proposal has been made in AZ & passed into law nowhere. They've concentrated on restricting voting rights.
Oh, just restricting voting rights. What a relief, we should all breath easier. I should have said bills, meanwhile in Texas...
Texas state lawmakers finalize new voting restrictions bill | TheHill
Texas state lawmakers on Saturday finalized a draft of a sweeping elections bill that calls for dozens of new restrictions on voting in the state and makes it easier for officials to overturn the results of an election.
 

cytg111

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Well, if you were derpthroated the big lie over and over and over again… and your main news diet is of the Ruperts of the world… what would you believe?
One way or the other the lying, the deceit, the anti reality, make shit up peddle as truth, cancer on your society.. has got to get cut out… to save the rest.
 
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