New Orleans

[episodic]

Ok, the state of Louisiana and the city of New Orleans have known for 100 years that it was inevitable that a major hurricane would 'fill the bowl'.

Now that their city stands to be destroyed, they will of course want billions of taxpayer dollars from all across the country to go to them to rebuild on the same land with the same problem.

Flood insurance rates across the country will go up, etc.


Why does the average taxpayer in Montana or Wisconsin or Arkansas or anywhere else have to bail out a state that has ignored major disaster warnings for over a century?

 

[Aves]

This is the argument that a lot of people have about giving tax money to people who live near the beach period.

 

[alien42]

uhhh, because this is the USA?

 

[dug777]

Debbie would miss it...

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: alien42
uhhh, because this is the USA?

States always want 'their rights' but then expect the 'USA' to bail em out.

My argument is about why should the state itself not bail itself out rather than the whole country.

They have had 1 century to prepare for this.

100 years!

 

[dxkj]

Because we live in a country where we have very few actual freedoms with our money? I would like it better if they just told me i was making 15$ an hour, and that all companies had to pay the government a set amount per employee, that way i wouldnt feel like I was robbed every paycheck.

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: Aves
This is the argument that a lot of people have about giving tax money to people who live near the beach period.

Exactly, I wonder why the United States has to finance new homes for people in Florida every year who are too silly to ignore the fact that it happens every freaking year!

Then they are on tv yelling and screaming 'Woah is me' - and they will simply rebuild right there and be the very ones on tv yelling and screaming every year. . .

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Would you extend that to people who live in the path of tornadoes? Those that live in an area known for earthquakes? Etc.

 

[dxkj]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Would you extend that to people who live in the path of tornadoes? Those that live in an area known for earthquakes? Etc.

Stupid argument. Most houses can be built practically earthquake proof, and tornados happen randomly all over, not in one area.


If there was a city that got hit by a tornado 5 times a year, then yes I would extend that to them if they kept building there

If there was a fault line and a city built on top of it and had an earthquake there big enough to do millions or billions in damage then yes, I would extend that to them.




Gotta love stupid comparisons... DUR DUR can I make applesauce from this orange

 

[Sam334]

Originally posted by: dxkj

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Would you extend that to people who live in the path of tornadoes? Those that live in an area known for earthquakes? Etc.

Stupid argument. Most houses can be built practically earthquake proof, and tornados happen randomly all over, not in one area.


If there was a city that got hit by a tornado 5 times a year, then yes I would extend that to them if they kept building there

If there was a fault line and a city built on top of it and had an earthquake there big enough to do millions or billions in damage then yes, I would extend that to them.




Gotta love stupid comparisons... DUR DUR can I make applesauce from this orange

edit* http://www.tornadochaser.net/tornalley.html

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Would you extend that to people who live in the path of tornadoes? Those that live in an area known for earthquakes? Etc.

Tornadoes are not even on the same scale of destruction. Federal Aid RARELY has to be called due to a tornado impact. They are storms that usually take out neighborhoods rather than 170 mile swaths of land.

Earthquakes, if the area is prone to earthquakes and they don't retrofit their buildings, then yea, I've not got alot of sympathy.

California, for example, has made tremendous efforts to earthquake proof it's buildings through strict codes.

Now, we have Missouri - sitting on the New Madrid fault, which has done little to retrofit buildings.

I think states need to help themselves more. If a person lives in a HIGH risk state, then their STATE taxes need to be raised to cover the risk - not the American public in general. Think about states like New York - for instance. They have snowfalls every year that would cripple many states - but the STATE has made arrangements to clear the snow. They don't call on federal assisstance every time.

Florida needs to deal with Florida - Louisiana needs to deal with Louisiana. If that means everyone in Lousiana suddenly has to pay 7 dollars for a pack of cigs (like they do in New York) to pay for LOCAL issues, then so be it. Add taxes to the people of the state, not to the people of the country. Risk should be assumed by those that choose to live in risky states.

Just my 2 cents. . .

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: dxkj
Gotta love stupid comparisons... DUR DUR can I make applesauce from this orange

Gotta love assumptions. I wasn't even asking you but the OP, and it wasn't a sarcastic response, just a comment about what natural disasters should be considered avoidable.

Still, e-penis++ for j00!

 

[episodic]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper

Originally posted by: dxkj
Gotta love stupid comparisons... DUR DUR can I make applesauce from this orange

Gotta love assumptions. I wasn't even asking you but the OP, and it wasn't a sarcastic response, just a comment about what natural disasters should be considered avoidable.

Still, e-penis++ for j00!

Ok the OP is not debating on 'avoidable disasters' but rather the state's responsibility to handle a problem that is long known as their own.

Look at my last long post in this thread to further understand what I'm saying.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Originally posted by: episodic
Just my 2 cents. . .

Thanks for the considered response.

In the UK, we only usually see the aftermath when the sh1t hits the fan over there, and talk of billions of dollars of damage from various natural disasters, whatever type... And no-one tells us where that money ever comes from.