New Nvidia 163.67 Beta drivers released

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Never said I was...

Yes, you did... Or maybe you were referring to an illegal bit torrent download...

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Have it in an hour, 350k so far. btw.. you are not allowed to post about, or show shots of the game.

...dude, I'm just yanking your chain... Enjoy the beta

In a different thread... but yeah you got me. And not all bittorents are illegal. And there is nothing against saying you have it in the NDA. Posting pics, vids, impressions, etc. is all against the NDA. Sadly, hardly anyone cares about doing the right thing, and just want to look cool posting pics. :shrug:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Never said I was...

Yes, you did... Or maybe you were referring to an illegal bit torrent download...

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Have it in an hour, 350k so far. btw.. you are not allowed to post about, or show shots of the game.

...dude, I'm just yanking your chain... Enjoy the beta

In a different thread... but yeah you got me. And not all bittorents are illegal. And there is nothing against saying you have it in the NDA. Posting pics, vids, impressions, etc. is all against the NDA. Sadly, hardly anyone cares about doing the right thing, and just want to look cool posting pics. :shrug:

it's not all about looking cool. It's people wanting to say "hey this game isn't what it was hyped to be look here" or "hey this game runs poorly on my system here's my config"

That's really all most people are doing. I know the Crysis team didn't want that because it's obvious to me that the game is very very unpolished and doesn't reflect the hype or the videos we have seen.

 

[Ackmed]

You dont have it, you dont know. Sorry, but you saying the same thing when you dont have it, doesnt agree with people who say it looks great, and who do have it. Or even those who dont. You by far in the minority. Also note, the highest graphical options (such as DX10 itself) are not even in the beta. The only thing "obvious", is that you dont have a clue about the beta. Sorry to be blunt, but there it is. Wait for the demo, and get some facts straight.

And to be honest, Im tired of you posting the same nonsense all the time, and this thread is going off topic now. I dont have these drivers installed, so I cant comment on how they would reflect the beta, nor would I anyways, if I had either.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You dont have it, you dont know. Sorry, but you saying the same thing when you dont have it, doesnt agree with people who say it looks great, and who do have it. Or even those who dont. You by far in the minority. Also note, the highest graphical options (such as DX10 itself) are not even in the beta. The only thing "obvious", is that you dont have a clue about the beta. Sorry to be blunt, but there it is. Wait for the demo, and get some facts straight.

And to be honest, Im tired of you posting the same nonsense all the time, and this thread is going off topic now. I dont have these drivers installed, so I cant comment on how they would reflect the beta, nor would I anyways, if I had either.

minority? what website are you reading? and how do you know who has what? :roll:

You're full of hot air dude...seriously. I'm tired of YOU comming into every thread telling people "you don't have it blah blah or the NDA blah blah".

But you know what, I don't even care. Think what you want and say what you want. The game is not impressive to me and I am not the only one who thinks so. At this point nobody can say if the demo will be better than the beta, of course we all hope and assume it will be though.

Lets just say that we will have to wait and see some actual certified release code and DX10 in action (no videos) before we make a judgement ok? That ok with you? Fine with me...I'll buy the game anyway :thumbsup:

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You dont have it, you dont know. Sorry, but you saying the same thing when you dont have it, doesnt agree with people who say it looks great, and who do have it. Or even those who dont. You by far in the minority. Also note, the highest graphical options (such as DX10 itself) are not even in the beta. The only thing "obvious", is that you dont have a clue about the beta. Sorry to be blunt, but there it is. Wait for the demo, and get some facts straight.

And to be honest, Im tired of you posting the same nonsense all the time, and this thread is going off topic now. I dont have these drivers installed, so I cant comment on how they would reflect the beta, nor would I anyways, if I had either.

Do you derive some sad sense of "honor" for upholding the NDA? Or somehow belittling the people who aren't in your, seemingly precious, beta test?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: Ackmed
You dont have it, you dont know. Sorry, but you saying the same thing when you dont have it, doesnt agree with people who say it looks great, and who do have it. Or even those who dont. You by far in the minority. Also note, the highest graphical options (such as DX10 itself) are not even in the beta. The only thing "obvious", is that you dont have a clue about the beta. Sorry to be blunt, but there it is. Wait for the demo, and get some facts straight.

And to be honest, Im tired of you posting the same nonsense all the time, and this thread is going off topic now. I dont have these drivers installed, so I cant comment on how they would reflect the beta, nor would I anyways, if I had either.

Do you derive some sad sense of "honor" for upholding the NDA? Or somehow belittling the people who aren't in your, seemingly precious, beta test?

Well, i don't care...as I said above he can say and think what he wants. If I don't think the game is impressive then fine right? It's like some reviewer giving a game a low score. If you enjoy it and think it's great then you're supposed to be happy right?

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: manowar821
I'm using the current forceware, and my games will crash randomly. Especially BF2 and Supreme Commander. I don't believe it's memory anymore, I have 4 gigs and windows vista x64. My card is a 7600 GS, I'll try these drivers tonight.

Damn I need a new GPU.

Your games crash because you're using Vista. My friend has the same problems. Upgrading to the last beta drivers before these just REDUCED the crashes. Maybe these will do more... I'll tell him to upgrade this weekend.

There could be a number of reasons why his games crash ie overclocking,heat etc...Vista x64 I find very solid for gaming,I'm still using 163.33s betas,might the 163.67 real soon.


My current game list installed on Vista x64,all games working fine .

Bioshock
BG2+exp pack
BG+exp pack
DnL
SWG
KOTOR
KOTOR 2
Jedi Academy
Jedi Outcast
9 Dragons
WoW+ exp pack
Archlord
Might & Magic 8
Stalker
Silverfall
Morrowind+ exp packs
Oblivion+Shilvering isles
Two Worlds
Prey
UFO-Afterlight
NWN2
Starcraft+exp pack
UFO-Exterrestrials
UFO-Alien Invasion
XCOM-Enforcer
Vanguard
LOTRO
UT2004
Space Rangers 2
Steam(DoD,TFC,HL ,CS etc...)
Space Force Rogue Universe.

I have a few more installed but you get the idea .

Do you use a Raptor or SCSI hard drive?

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: pcslookout

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: manowar821
I'm using the current forceware, and my games will crash randomly. Especially BF2 and Supreme Commander. I don't believe it's memory anymore, I have 4 gigs and windows vista x64. My card is a 7600 GS, I'll try these drivers tonight.

Damn I need a new GPU.

Your games crash because you're using Vista. My friend has the same problems. Upgrading to the last beta drivers before these just REDUCED the crashes. Maybe these will do more... I'll tell him to upgrade this weekend.

There could be a number of reasons why his games crash ie overclocking,heat etc...Vista x64 I find very solid for gaming,I'm still using 163.33s betas,might the 163.67 real soon.


My current game list installed on Vista x64,all games working fine .

Bioshock
BG2+exp pack
BG+exp pack
DnL
SWG
KOTOR
KOTOR 2
Jedi Academy
Jedi Outcast
9 Dragons
WoW+ exp pack
Archlord
Might & Magic 8
Stalker
Silverfall
Morrowind+ exp packs
Oblivion+Shilvering isles
Two Worlds
Prey
UFO-Afterlight
NWN2
Starcraft+exp pack
UFO-Exterrestrials
UFO-Alien Invasion
XCOM-Enforcer
Vanguard
LOTRO
UT2004
Space Rangers 2
Steam(DoD,TFC,HL ,CS etc...)
Space Force Rogue Universe.

I have a few more installed but you get the idea .

Do you use a Raptor or SCSI hard drive?

Nope,just a SATA 300GB Maxtor HD.

 

[KingGheedora]

Originally posted by: pcslookout
Do you use a Raptor or SCSI hard drive?

What if he does? Is that good or bad?

 

[videopho]

163.67 (with x64 OS) fixes my flat lcd scaling issue.
Bioshock seems to run fine.
Will try out other games shortly.

 

[Piuc2020]

163.67 seemed fine for a moment, my Bioshock performance improved but it caused instability, loading Medical Pavilion crashed the game (though it only happened) once and then on Neptune's Bounty the screen went blank and I had to restart when I tried to hack a machine. I lost 30 minutes worth of gameplay and got frustrated and stopped playing.

163.67 made Bioshock run faster and snappier but VERY unstable for me.

 

[chizow]

Loaded these up last night. Didn't notice much difference in performance with LOTRO but IQ seemed to be improved, especially for background scenery textures. Maybe less fog/clipping, not sure. A few posts over on the LOTRO forums seem to indicate these drivers are a major performance improvement with SLI configurations. I'll run a few of the DX10 demos and see if there's any major improvements but so far so good.

 

[BFG10K]

I'm getting much better performance in Call of Juarez with these (~17% performance gain at my settings) and the ground textures look a bit crisper.

 

[Kromis]

I don't know if the driver is the problem but...

Ever since I installed the 163.67 beta drivers, my 8800GTS won't overclock as high anymore. Before, it was at 645/1900 but now the core clock can't even get above 600! It's like the drivers hindered my ability to overclock. Also, my 8800GTS seems to be warmer than usual. Before it was like 62º celcius and now its around 68º! What the eff?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Kromis
I don't know if the driver is the problem but...

Ever since I installed the 163.67 beta drivers, my 8800GTS won't overclock as high anymore. Before, it was at 645/1900 but now the core clock can't even get above 600! It's like the drivers hindered my ability to overclock. Also, my 8800GTS seems to be warmer than usual. Before it was like 62º celcius and now its around 68º! What the eff?

Newer drivers utilizing the shaders differently? More stress on them? More heat, less o/c.
Dunno.

 

[ginfest]

Looks like they changed the way the driver OC
Courtesy of Unwinder the creator of RivaTuner:

Guys, I've got very good news for G80 owners. I've just examined overclocking interfaces of newly released 163.67 drivers and I was really pleased to see that NVIDIA finally added an ability of independent shader clock adjustment. As you probably know, with the past driver families the ForceWare automatically overclocked G80 shader domain synchronicallly with ROP domain using BIOS defined Shader/ROP clock ratio. Starting from 163.67 drivers internal ForceWare overclocking interfaces no longer scale shader domain clock when ROP clock is adjusted and the driver now provides completely independent shader clock adjustment interface. It means that starting from ForceWare 163.67 all overclocking tools like RivaTuner, nTune, PowerStrip or ATITool will adjust ROP clock only.
However, new revisions of these tools supporting new overclocking interfaces will probably allow you to adjust shader clock too. Now I've played with new interfaces and upcoming v2.04 will contain an experimental feature allowing power users to definie custom Shader/ROP ratio via the registry, so RT will clock shader domain together with ROP domain using user defined ratio.
And v2.05 will give you completely independent slider for adjusting shader clock independently of core clock.

Note:

By default this applies to Vista specific overclocking interfaces only, Windows XP drivers still provide traditional overclocking interface adjusting both shader and ROP clocks. However, XP drivers also contain optional Vista-styled overclocking interfaces and you can force RivaTuner to use them by setting NVAPIUsageBehavior registry entry to 1.

That being said these are the best drivers that I have used with my 8800GTS and Vista x64. COJ, Bioshock, Company of Heroes, MOH Airbourne, Tabala Rasa beta, and both EA Sports Madden '08 and NHL '08 are running fine here.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: ginfest
Looks like they changed the way the driver OC
Courtesy of Unwinder the creator of RivaTuner:

Guys, I've got very good news for G80 owners. I've just examined overclocking interfaces of newly released 163.67 drivers and I was really pleased to see that NVIDIA finally added an ability of independent shader clock adjustment. As you probably know, with the past driver families the ForceWare automatically overclocked G80 shader domain synchronicallly with ROP domain using BIOS defined Shader/ROP clock ratio. Starting from 163.67 drivers internal ForceWare overclocking interfaces no longer scale shader domain clock when ROP clock is adjusted and the driver now provides completely independent shader clock adjustment interface. It means that starting from ForceWare 163.67 all overclocking tools like RivaTuner, nTune, PowerStrip or ATITool will adjust ROP clock only.
However, new revisions of these tools supporting new overclocking interfaces will probably allow you to adjust shader clock too. Now I've played with new interfaces and upcoming v2.04 will contain an experimental feature allowing power users to definie custom Shader/ROP ratio via the registry, so RT will clock shader domain together with ROP domain using user defined ratio.
And v2.05 will give you completely independent slider for adjusting shader clock independently of core clock.

Note:

By default this applies to Vista specific overclocking interfaces only, Windows XP drivers still provide traditional overclocking interface adjusting both shader and ROP clocks. However, XP drivers also contain optional Vista-styled overclocking interfaces and you can force RivaTuner to use them by setting NVAPIUsageBehavior registry entry to 1.

That being said these are the best drivers that I have used with my 8800GTS and Vista x64. COJ, Bioshock, Company of Heroes, MOH Airbourne, Tabala Rasa beta, and both EA Sports Madden '08 and NHL '08 are running fine here.

WOW that is AWESOME news! I thought the shader/core ratio was controlled by the BIOS not the driver.

 

[cputeq]

t's like the drivers hindered my ability to overclock

Ahh weird, no wonder I can't set my core above 594 in ATITool..it's limited! >< Doh.

(and I have to pimp my OC today -- 512core/792mem to 594/1002 yay)

 

[Kromis]

Originally posted by: cputeq

t's like the drivers hindered my ability to overclock

Ahh weird, no wonder I can't set my core above 594 in ATITool..it's limited! >< Doh.

(and I have to pimp my OC today -- 512core/792mem to 594/1002 yay)

Ahh yes! I forgot to mention that I did use ATITool to OC!

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: ginfest
Looks like they changed the way the driver OC
Courtesy of Unwinder the creator of RivaTuner:

Guys, I've got very good news for G80 owners. I've just examined overclocking interfaces of newly released 163.67 drivers and I was really pleased to see that NVIDIA finally added an ability of independent shader clock adjustment. As you probably know, with the past driver families the ForceWare automatically overclocked G80 shader domain synchronicallly with ROP domain using BIOS defined Shader/ROP clock ratio. Starting from 163.67 drivers internal ForceWare overclocking interfaces no longer scale shader domain clock when ROP clock is adjusted and the driver now provides completely independent shader clock adjustment interface. It means that starting from ForceWare 163.67 all overclocking tools like RivaTuner, nTune, PowerStrip or ATITool will adjust ROP clock only.
However, new revisions of these tools supporting new overclocking interfaces will probably allow you to adjust shader clock too. Now I've played with new interfaces and upcoming v2.04 will contain an experimental feature allowing power users to definie custom Shader/ROP ratio via the registry, so RT will clock shader domain together with ROP domain using user defined ratio.
And v2.05 will give you completely independent slider for adjusting shader clock independently of core clock.

Note:

By default this applies to Vista specific overclocking interfaces only, Windows XP drivers still provide traditional overclocking interface adjusting both shader and ROP clocks. However, XP drivers also contain optional Vista-styled overclocking interfaces and you can force RivaTuner to use them by setting NVAPIUsageBehavior registry entry to 1.

That being said these are the best drivers that I have used with my 8800GTS and Vista x64. COJ, Bioshock, Company of Heroes, MOH Airbourne, Tabala Rasa beta, and both EA Sports Madden '08 and NHL '08 are running fine here.

Ah wow, interesting news. NV has hinted they would add this feature for quite a while but looks like it finally made it into the drivers. This is pretty interesting news though for OC'ers and benchmark junkies. Now you can OC 3 variables independently, perhaps allowing OC'ers to gain even more performance if they're willing to run it their card through the stress tests. Will also allow benchers to nail down specific performance increases from scaling clock speeds on the core, shader and memory instead of core+shader and memory.

In the short-term, has any one tried just OC'ing with the drivers? I've used RivaTuner lately and its been excellent, but right now it seems like current OCs with RivaTuner are actually slower than previous OCs at the same clock speeds due to the static shader clock speed.