new 'non-lethal' police weapon temporarily blinds target

[SandEagle]

http://rt.com/usa/186464-zro-nonlethal-weapon-blinds-targets/
http://shielddefensesystems.com/featured_products.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/2fnij1/new_weapon_zro_scrambles_ocular_fluid_and/

don't blind me, bro!

A company that makes tactical equipment for police to use in riots is manufacturing a new ‘non-lethal’ weapon designed to temporarily blind targets. The Z-RO non-lethal compliance weapon system will obstruct a person’s vision for 10 to 15 minutes.

i'm all for non-lethal force, but why can't the police just try to talk rationally to people? instead it seems the public is a threat, thus the need for such weapons.

 

[Rakehellion]

*Permanently blinds.

It's going to be used by police, after all.

 

[cabri]

i'm all for non-lethal force, but why can't the police just try to talk rationally to people? instead it seems the public is a threat, thus the need for such weapons.

Regretfully, many people when confronted/interacting with the police/authority will not act rational. Those people become threats to the LEO and the public

 

[IronWing]

The taser was supposed to be an alternative to lethal force. Intead it is being used as an alternative to patience. I see this as no different other than that it will likely lead to permanent damage. "The suspect was giving me lip so I blinded him for life."

 

[Attic]

Just drop the ruse. This will be used to keep the poor and underprivileged in their place.

The poor and underprivelaged will continue to be the target of our selective justice and law enforcement/experiment while the rich move about unabated by such constraints as use of physical force and near lethal force to impose the will of the law.


Fuck blinding people.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Why don't people stop committing crimes? No crimes = no police interaction.

 

[shortylickens]

a tactical flashlight blinds them for 30 seconds and is more than enough. We dont need any more gadgets, we need to start correcting crime at the source.

 

[Jaskalas]

and they know it doesn't have long term effects, how?

What about repeat use?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

OK.

Some police are abusive. So let's see...

Let's give them no means to do their jobs. After all if someone is going to kill you, awesome police can reason with them. It's guaranteed! Just 15 minutes a day and you can cure cancer, bring about world peace, and disarm felons with a word! Just send 15 billion dollars to me!

Well, no, that's not going to work.

Frankly I have no idea about the functional aspects of this product being sold. I don't know if it's safe or effective, but we have only a few practical choices here.

One- Police continue to use lethal force as it is.

Two- Some means of non-lethal control needs to be more widely available.

Three- Disband/severely limit police in scope and numbers. If talking to criminals is the solution we hardly need them.

Four- everyone has a gun. We'll use Obamaconomics here. You don't have to carry one, but you'll be taxed for not doing so since you aren't contributing to the communities safety.

What you won't get are infallible police nor completely rational citizens.

Of the above it seems that some non-lethal means is probable the best general solution.

 

[boomerang]

i'm all for non-lethal force, but why can't the police just try to talk rationally to people? instead it seems the public is a threat, thus the need for such weapons.

You're one of ten police officers that have been dispatched to a scene in a downtown location where a mob of approximately 75 is looting and setting fires. The scene is mass chaos with people running everywhere and in every direction, breaking windows and attempting to turn over cars.

Give us your ideas on rational talk to diffuse the situation.
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You're part of a five man team raiding a home where meth is being cooked. An undercover officer had infiltrated the group and a warrant has been obtained. The officer that was on the inside has related that there could be anywhere from four to seven bad actors inside. The place is heavily armed and at least three of the group has done time for violent crimes. As you burst through the door, at least two of the group are reaching for what may be weapons. It's hard to tell because they have few lights on inside.

Give us your ideas on rational talk to diffuse the situation.
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You pull over a motorist who is weaving across the center line and has failed to stop at a stop sign, blowing right through it. As you approach the car, the driver is reaching for something under his seat and all you can see is that it is shiny and may be a gun.

Give us your ideas on rational talk to diffuse the situation.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Regretfully, many people when confronted/interacting with the police/authority will not act rational. Those people become threats to the LEO and the public

Soooo...your argument is that police should not ever try to talk rationally to people. Gotcha. Gotta go to full force first.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Why don't people stop committing crimes? No crimes = no police interaction.

Is this always true? There are no examples anywhere of say...somebody being threatened or roughed up for lawfully recording police from a safe distance? No examples of a reporter being told they were going to get shot by an Officer Go Fuck Yourself? Ever?

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Why don't people stop committing crimes? No crimes = no police interaction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE NOT COMMITTING CRIMES SAY "HI", ASSHOLE.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

My heart bleeds purple peanut butter.

 

[cabri]

Soooo...your argument is that police should not ever try to talk rationally to people. Gotcha. Gotta go to full force first.

that is not my argument at all.


I was addressing Sand Eagle that police need to talk rationally to people.

When that does not work because ..., then they need plan B. Plan A does not always work due to attitudes.

Is this always true? There are no examples anywhere of say...somebody being threatened or roughed up for lawfully recording police from a safe distance? No examples of a reporter being told they were going to get shot by an Officer Go Fuck Yourself? Ever?

there are examples on both sides of the coin.

People go looking for trouble with the law
And the law goes looking for trouble because they are the law.

The issue is what about the law that tries to diffuse a situation and the others are not willing to be peaceful but continue to look for trouble.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

that is not my argument at all.

I was addressing Sand Eagle that police need to talk rationally to people.

When that does not work because ..., then they need plan B. Plan A does not always work due to attitudes.

That makes more sense. I'm pretty sure both of you would advocate that. I didn't take his comment to mean that plan B should never be used. Most people simply think that plan B shouldn't happen before plan A.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

My heart bleeds purple peanut butter.

So I just provided hundreds of thousands of examples per year in one single city that prove your COP LOGIC® platitude incorrect. Your response is really that you don't give a shit? Why pretend to give a shit in the first place then?

 

[Paul98]

So I just provided hundreds of thousands of examples per year in one single city that prove your COP LOGIC® platitude incorrect. Your response is really that you don't give a shit? Why pretend to give a shit in the first place then?

He isn't the one being stopped and is too stupid to understand how someone else might be.

If he was being stopped for no reason on a regular basis he would be all against this and the police stopping people.

 

[boomerang]

So I just provided hundreds of thousands of examples per year in one single city that prove your COP LOGIC® platitude incorrect. Your response is really that you don't give a shit? Why pretend to give a shit in the first place then?

Correlate those hundreds of thousands of examples to changes in the crime rate and I'll be impressed and you might learn something. Calculate the percentage of stops versus the population, including commuters, for extra credit.

 

[master_shake_]

you know what else is supposed to temporarily blind people?

pepper spray

how temporary is this?

police are the lowest common denominator of iq right after retarded but before autistic.

they'll find some way to fuck this up.

 

[Nebor]

Everyone can see why this is a good idea. Except for the people hit with it.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Correlate those hundreds of thousands of examples to changes in the crime rate and I'll be impressed and you might learn something. Calculate the percentage of stops versus the population, including commuters, for extra credit.

The response was to the idea that if you don't want contact with police, don't break the law. I was stating that it doesn't matter if you break the law or not, you can get contacted by the police. Do you disagree? Do you understand that we weren't having a discussion about whether unconstitutional acts work or whether Officer Go Fuck Yourself was right in pointing his rifle at a reporter and refusing to identify himself and threatening to kill the reporter.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

police are the lowest common denominator of iq right after retarded but before autistic.

Actually cops are of solidly middling IQ. The problem is they think they are on the high end. The extreme high end. They seem to receive some sort of training in how to argue using logical fallacies and they present themselves as if they think they are Godlike in their argumentative ability. To another solidly middle of the road IQ, their logical fallacies seem clever. To a low IQ, their logical fallacies do indeed come across as Godlike. But to higher intelligences, they just look like morons who are trying to argue with obvious logical fallacy and they seem stupidly oblivious to the fact that their own argument is even a fallacy. Cop Logic®

 

[Pipeline 1010]

Correlate those hundreds of thousands of examples to changes in the crime rate and I'll be impressed and you might learn something. Calculate the percentage of stops versus the population, including commuters, for extra credit.

If cops just killed everyone they came across, non-cop crime would go down too. Lots of unconstitutional bullshit can lower crime if we accept that the founding fathers were wrong and our rights SHOULD get trampled on.

 

[boomerang]

The response was to the idea that if you don't want contact with police, don't break the law. I was stating that it doesn't matter if you break the law or not, you can get contacted by the police. Do you disagree? Do you understand that we weren't having a discussion about whether unconstitutional acts work or whether Officer Go Fuck Yourself was right in pointing his rifle at a reporter and refusing to identify himself and threatening to kill the reporter.

You'll find a lot of cop-hater friends here. Some of us would like to have a forum just for cop-haters so you and your friends can spew your hate in your own little world. You can't hate on too many groups here without getting disciplined but cop hate is a-ok. But I think you already know this. I haven't figured out which RBM you are yet, but you'll give it away sooner or later.