I dunno how you can say a rear camera is more important than decent speakers. Yeah we all have our own uses but I seriously can't think of a reason for a rear camera on a tablet. When would you not use the front camera for video chat?
Decent speakers would allow for easier playback of movies, and chatting. I HATE crappy speakers on mobile devices.
Either way, that's 45% thicker than an iPad mini. I don't even consider the Surface Pro a real competitor at the moment, but sure. That's too thick too. But given the Nexus 7's thicker than direct competitors like the Kindle Fire HD and the iPad mini, and even the regular iPad, yes I do feel it's on the fat side.
No it's not so fat that I can't hold it, but it's fat where it needs to be trimmed. And if Google cannot do that, then that's pretty bad design imo.
Well to me chat doesn't require great speakers. For movies maybe, but I'd just plug in my earbuds anyway. The rear camera isn't required for video chat, but there are times when you want to show people what you see. In Skyping with my parents I'd like to show them what I cooked for dinner, etc. So just awkwardly flip my tablet backwards to show them on the horrendously low quality camera on the Nexus 7? I guess that could work.
Anyway, yeah we all have our own uses, so sure if people believe the Nexus 7 has bad speakers, sure I'm all for beefing those up, but I see the rear camera as useful. I use the one on my Nexus 10 quite a bit when I do web cam, just like I do on my iPhone 5 or Nexus 4 when I'm showing people around the area.
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I really don't mind the thickness as long as it has the performance and/or battery life to make it justifiable.
My Nexus 7 felt rather thin, the only thing that annoyed me was the speaker, which is badly placed and sounds terrible. I didn't want to put in earphones when lying in bed and watching Adventure Time...
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lopri
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Someone advanced an idea of a stretched Nexus 4 for the next Nexus 7, and I am for that idea. Maybe Google can find a more durable glass (tempered?) or even glass-like plastic to reduce weight and cost, but design-wise I think that would be quite attractive. Performance should be also where it should be, too. I can't gauge how fast things are moving, but as an observer I think Snapdragon 600 isn't likely to be the candidate since that chip goes in the top of the line smart phones that command much higher prices. On the other hand, S4 Pro seems abundant and still quite fast enough short of cutting-edge (i.e. A15).
It sounds also feasible to non-engineer like me that stretching the N4 to 7~8" form factor will enable thinner profile. (I'm thinking of flour dough here ()
) I also hope for some sort of thumb/palm rejection with reduced bezel size. And last but not least, better/louder speakers please!
It sounds also feasible to non-engineer like me that stretching the N4 to 7~8" form factor will enable thinner profile. (I'm thinking of flour dough here ()
) I also hope for some sort of thumb/palm rejection with reduced bezel size. And last but not least, better/louder speakers please!
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Oh, and please don't make the dumb mistake of last year, trickling updated versions/pricings monthly. I had to buy 3 times (one was returned and another was sold) before I settle on the final one. Make up your mind and release all available options at once.
I really hope the new Nexus 7 launches at $249 so they don't cut important aspects of a tablet like screen and speaker quality.
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I don't see any lunch-eating happening. Maybe more dust-eating.
Google is not doing something right in marketing the Nexus devices, at least if I base it on what I see personally.
I see near zero awareness of Nexus devices (phones, definitely tablets) among a wide range of people I encounter. I don't personally know anyone that owns a Nexus 7, is excited about them, or really gives a flying rat that they exist. Even among other tech-types as well.
On the other hand, I know tons of people with iPad Minis. Even people that already have iPads had to have a Mini. Some I see think of it as the first tablet of its size to even exist. "It's so cool they finally made a smaller tablet!" 'They' basically meaning everyone making tablets, iPad being all tablets in their world view.
The higher price didn't phase anyone I know that loves their Mini, and most couldn't even tell you what the resolution is or why they should particularly care about it. For the uses most people want a smaller tablet for, the resolution barely matters to them. (Unless it was completely dreadful or something, which it isn't.)
So what good will greater specs, and even being cheaper do the Nexus if so many common people simply don't know about it, or simply don't give a fig? In my view, Google needs to do more to get people excited about their hardware.
Google is not doing something right in marketing the Nexus devices, at least if I base it on what I see personally.
I see near zero awareness of Nexus devices (phones, definitely tablets) among a wide range of people I encounter. I don't personally know anyone that owns a Nexus 7, is excited about them, or really gives a flying rat that they exist. Even among other tech-types as well.
On the other hand, I know tons of people with iPad Minis. Even people that already have iPads had to have a Mini. Some I see think of it as the first tablet of its size to even exist. "It's so cool they finally made a smaller tablet!" 'They' basically meaning everyone making tablets, iPad being all tablets in their world view.
The higher price didn't phase anyone I know that loves their Mini, and most couldn't even tell you what the resolution is or why they should particularly care about it. For the uses most people want a smaller tablet for, the resolution barely matters to them. (Unless it was completely dreadful or something, which it isn't.)
So what good will greater specs, and even being cheaper do the Nexus if so many common people simply don't know about it, or simply don't give a fig? In my view, Google needs to do more to get people excited about their hardware.
I really don't how the hell Google thinks sometimes with their marketing.
Yes they had a few Nexus tablet commercials but they have so much money they could try at this things its not funny.
I only hope when it comes to future Motorola devices they do something much better.
Are they afraid to step on other manufacturers toes? Well I want to know what would happened if/when Samsung captures the majority of the mobile market and decides to move away from Android.
Does Google have no foresight?
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I won't even bother discussing this with you because it is utterly irrelevant to both the thread title and my post to which you replied. That is, unless you are implying that Google will be halting sales of every Android tablet on the market other than the new Nexus 7, but I don't think that's what you meant.
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Which is unfortunate for those who rely on iOS and vindicates my decision to move away from it. My prediction is that Apple will gradually push iPad mini as their main tablet, while moving the original iPads as novelty items. (kind of like Mac mini)
What I am saying here is that iPad mini's prices will likely go up - nominally (say, $349 instead of $329 for a start) or under-handedly (e.g. un-bundling practically necessary accessories from the package). So over time, Apple will charge more for less hardware in order to make up the loss of profit from regular iPad sales while better competing against more portable Android tablets.
My opinion, of course.
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No need to nitpick on a concept. (especially by selectively quoting. I've already addressed your concern in my post) I am sure engineers know better than I do and maybe substitute the back with metal. Maybe they may go with tempered glass that is highly resistant to shock. (a la Sony Xperia Tablet Z) Or maybe they could use the plastic that looks and feels like glass?
The concept I suggested is thinner, more stylish form factor than convex rubber back. And a suggestion is, well, a suggestion. I'd like to think we're talking within reason, not in absolutes.
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1. I hope ASUS does a better job of manufacturing this time. The launch of the Nexus 7 last July with so many units having loose glass on the left side was quite frustrating. I went through 5 returns before I gave up. ASUS, try to build it right the first time this time please.
2. I don't think of the Nexus 7 as fat. And the reason for this is ASUS and Google designed it so well. It's light, has a tapered design with rounded edges, the soft touch back. This tablet was an absolute pleasure to hold in the hands. Not to mention the brilliance of making the bezels thinner in portrait mode so it can be gripped in one hand while reading books. The design seems so good, I don't think ASUS should tamper with it too much. Thinner bezels will be welcome, keep the same overall design and materials I think would be a good ideaa. No glass or metal backs please.
3. Please find a way to fit stereo speakers in this. I love the speakers on my Kindle Fire HD (probably a big reason I ultimately picked it over the Nexus 7). If you can even make them front facing, that'd be icing on the cake.
4. I don't expect micro SD, I understand this is a Nexus product. But hopefully at 32GB model will be available on day one. Google is really skimping on storage, such as the Nexus 4 only topping out at 16GB. But I hope Google has come to it's senses and realize customers can't stream everything from the cloud. We need storage for games and our own content.
5. Calibrate the *bleeping* screen ASUS!
6. I'd like to see Key Lime Pie treat 7 inch tablets as tablets and not phones. I'd also like to see a way to hide the onscreen buttons.
2. I don't think of the Nexus 7 as fat. And the reason for this is ASUS and Google designed it so well. It's light, has a tapered design with rounded edges, the soft touch back. This tablet was an absolute pleasure to hold in the hands. Not to mention the brilliance of making the bezels thinner in portrait mode so it can be gripped in one hand while reading books. The design seems so good, I don't think ASUS should tamper with it too much. Thinner bezels will be welcome, keep the same overall design and materials I think would be a good ideaa. No glass or metal backs please.
3. Please find a way to fit stereo speakers in this. I love the speakers on my Kindle Fire HD (probably a big reason I ultimately picked it over the Nexus 7). If you can even make them front facing, that'd be icing on the cake.
4. I don't expect micro SD, I understand this is a Nexus product. But hopefully at 32GB model will be available on day one. Google is really skimping on storage, such as the Nexus 4 only topping out at 16GB. But I hope Google has come to it's senses and realize customers can't stream everything from the cloud. We need storage for games and our own content.
5. Calibrate the *bleeping* screen ASUS!
6. I'd like to see Key Lime Pie treat 7 inch tablets as tablets and not phones. I'd also like to see a way to hide the onscreen buttons.
I can't wait, I love my nexus 7. Add better stereo speakers, and a faster CPU, nothing else matters.
Sounds a little too good to be true, but I'd still consider the current Nexus 7 as a good value so any improvement will only make it better. I don't think they need to go overboard on the screen either, as I'm not even sure that Apple will have a retina display in the next Mini. And even if they could, it would murder the battery life.
Better speakers for me won't be for music. It would be for tv shows, movies, and podcasts.
I have a genetic form of arthritis that causes inflammation which means my joints hurt a lot (even with pain meds) , and some days are worse than others. I should be able to watch a netflix episode while in a bathtub with hot water, holding the nexus 7 only 2 feet away from my face and still get a good experience watching the tv show, being able to hear what is being said. Sadly I do not get such a experience with my current nexus 7 even though the screen is gorgeous for videos.
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Not sure what seems too good to be true. This story to me is just stating the obvious expectations. It's a year later so naturally it'll have a faster processor, better screen, and smaller bezel. Those are the normal things that happen every year for the most part.
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