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OleMortenF

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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post. But I couldn't anywhere else.

I'm looking for a new 24inch monitor for PC Gaming, but there are so many.
Maximum Price would be around $450.

Any suggestions? 🙂

Ole
 
Are you looking for 120hz? If so I think the BenQ XL2420T or Asus VG236H are still the top two in that range.

If not, maybe a 27" Catleap or something which is a 2560x1440 IPS display would interest you but you'd need quite a bit of GPU power for that resolution.
 
OleMortenF said:
Is micro stuttering gonna happen less with a 120Hz Monitor?
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This purely my own subjective experience, but my 120hz monitor is leaps and bounds smoother at 120hz than it is when I switch it over to 60hz.

It's also my opinion that this is because the refresh rate is almost always outrunning your framerate which results in more complete frames being displayed and thus a more smooth experience.
 
The benq 2420 and 2411 have some awesome features for gamers that can't easily be ignored. But solving 7970 fire stuttering, that it can't do. It might be reduced but no site with a modern review approach has shown 120hz results.
 
I like 120hz, but I find higher resolution with sharper text and images to be substantially more beneficial than 120hz. IPS is really nice.
 
I have a really nice IPS (dell 2410) alongside two cheap hand old TN samsungs. In arma 2 on surround the colour difference is quite noticeable. On the Samsung screens the grass is mostly yellow, there is not much subtle difference. However on the centre screen there is some subtle green and generally a lot more colour. I'm the shadows on bf3 I can see a lot more, they are very uniform on the tn screens but show some details on the IPS.

I also see less blur on the dell but its not a massive advantage. I wouldn't say IPS is essential but it does provide a more true to intent scene with more vivid and detailed colour. But a high speed tn will have less blur and twice the refresh rate, its not an easy trade off to make. Having taken IPS two years ago today I would take the 120hz route, I intend to swap in surround for 120hz in the near future.
 
You're going to be choosing between 1440p/1080p IPS (60Hz) or 1080P TN (120Hz) for a high end monitor. Best thing to do would be to go to a computer store and check out the different types of monitors there. TN panels generally have sub-par colour contrasts and bad viewing angles, but offer great response times, with little or no input lag. IPS panels on the other hand offer very good colours with much better viewing angles, but (currently) do not offer 120Hz support (although some Korean IPS monitors do allow some increase over 60Hz) and a slightly longer input time. 1440p monitors also tax your hardware a bit more, but 1440p IPS monitors offer some of the best gaming experiences out there. However, screen tearing is a lot more susceptible on 60Hz monitors, and you'll likely want to use VSync as well, at a slight cost to input lag.
So, if you want very good colours, go 1440p/1080p IPS. If you want a very good fluid gaming experience, get a 120Hz monitor. People often argue that the human eye cannot detect frame rates above 60fps, but I believe there is quite a clear distinction between 60fps and 120fps, and it does feel a lot more fluid.
 
huntj said:
You're going to be choosing between 1440p/1080p IPS (60Hz) or 1080P TN (120Hz) for a high end monitor. Best thing to do would be to go to a computer store and check out the different types of monitors there. TN panels generally have sub-par colour contrasts and bad viewing angles, but offer great response times, with little or no input lag. IPS panels on the other hand offer very good colours with much better viewing angles, but (currently) do not offer 120Hz support (although some Korean IPS monitors do allow some increase over 60Hz) and a slightly longer input time. 1440p monitors also tax your hardware a bit more, but 1440p IPS monitors offer some of the best gaming experiences out there. However, screen tearing is a lot more susceptible on 60Hz monitors, and you'll likely want to use VSync as well, at a slight cost to input lag.
So, if you want very good colours, go 1440p/1080p IPS. If you want a very good fluid gaming experience, get a 120Hz monitor. People often argue that the human eye cannot detect frame rates above 60fps, but I believe there is quite a clear distinction between 60fps and 120fps, and it does feel a lot more fluid.
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As I stated before, it's my theory that 120hz monitors are smoother because they are capable of displaying more than the typical framerate most GPU's can render at this time. This results in more complete frames hitting the screen and less tearing. Also, they allow you to run higher framerates without vsync to maintain the input response benefits of framerates >60fps.
 
Hi OleMortenF, your friendly neighborhood Norwegian here. 🙂

I recently bought a Benq XL2411T. I see it costs 2590 kr on Komplett and most other web shops right now. That should be right on your budget.

Let me just tell you it's VERY smooth in 120 and 144Hz. Ever seen a CRT? Well it's pretty close to that. It's very bright, but that can of course be adjusted. All TN panels are a little picky when it comes to viewing angles, but if you're sitting right in front of it then it shouldn't be much of an issue.

Two weeks ago it was actually on sale on Komplett for just under 2000 kr, and I'm sure it will be on sale more times, like the XL2420 was. However if you want it now, then it will be worth every penny in my opinion.

Edit: Here's a review http://pcmonitors.info/reviews/benq-xl2411t
 
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VulgarDisplay said:
As I stated before, it's my theory that 120hz monitors are smoother because they are capable of displaying more than the typical framerate most GPU's can render at this time. This results in more complete frames hitting the screen and less tearing. Also, they allow you to run higher framerates without vsync to maintain the input response benefits of framerates >60fps.
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Sorry its not true. You will get tears on every screen regardless of if you are below, at or above the monitors refresh rate. Almost all screens will show at least one tear.

When you go above the frequency a second tear becomes more likely. I suspect the problem feels less problematic on 120hz because you see the problem frame for less time and its 8ms younger than on 60hz. We can see input latency down to 20ms quite easily and the average pipeline is more like 50+, that 8ms improvement makes a big relative difference, its a whopping 20% improvement, and if we count the bottom as 20ms and not zero its 8/30 is more than 25% improvement in latency. The extra screens shown help a lot as well of course, so all in all I doubt its tearing related, its more likely to be due to the lower latency, low blur and increase in frame rate itself.
 
I'm running a XL2411T myself, but only because I wanted to play with 3D Vision. So the choice was easy. It is still very hard to get this monitor, at least here in Germany.

If all you want your monitor to do is to display games, then by all means, get a dedicated "gaming" monitor. If you want to do more stuff with it (Text, Web, Photos) consider an IPS panel, because they are just nicer overall.
 
BrightCandle said:
Sorry its not true. You will get tears on every screen regardless of if you are below, at or above the monitors refresh rate. Almost all screens will show at least one tear.

When you go above the frequency a second tear becomes more likely. I suspect the problem feels less problematic on 120hz because you see the problem frame for less time and its 8ms younger than on 60hz. We can see input latency down to 20ms quite easily and the average pipeline is more like 50+, that 8ms improvement makes a big relative difference, its a whopping 20% improvement, and if we count the bottom as 20ms and not zero its 8/30 is more than 25% improvement in latency. The extra screens shown help a lot as well of course, so all in all I doubt its tearing related, its more likely to be due to the lower latency, low blur and increase in frame rate itself.
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Yeah, I agree with you now when I think about it. THe main reason why 120hz appears to show less tearing is because the faster updates allow less time for frames to render which results in much closer jumps that are perceived as tears than 60hz.

A tears that you perceive as a 1/2 inch jump between one frame and the next on a 60hz would be half that on a 120hz monitor which would make it harder to detect.
 
OleMortenF said:
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post. But I couldn't anywhere else.

I'm looking for a new 24inch monitor for PC Gaming, but there are so many.
Maximum Price would be around $450.

Any suggestions? 🙂

Ole
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Hi! A Samsung P2570HD 24.6-Inch Full 1080p HDTV LCD Monitor would do for your budget. If your budget is only $450 then you can go for a 25-26 inch monitor. There are tons of
 
OleMortenF said:
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post. But I couldn't anywhere else.

I'm looking for a new 24inch monitor for PC Gaming, but there are so many.
Maximum Price would be around $450.

Any suggestions? 🙂

Ole
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I think $450 is already a huge amount for a brand new gaming monitor. I do have a suggestion, though. You might want to check some of these best 25-26 inch computer monitors. They are great gaming monitors at very affordable prices. 😎
 
cmdrdredd said:
Are you looking for 120hz? If so I think the BenQ XL2420T or Asus VG236H are still the top two in that range.

If not, maybe a 27" Catleap or something which is a 2560x1440 IPS display would interest you but you'd need quite a bit of GPU power for that resolution.
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I agree with cmdrdredd. I have an Achieva Shimian 27" Lite 2560x1440 that I got for @$330 delivered and it's amazing. No extra frills but amazing. You have PLENTY of power to run that.
 
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If i was going to get a new monitor now for my SLI 580s i would get what Guskline said, that Achieva Shimian 27 inch would be great.
 
So I am now gaming on the Benq XL2411T inplace of my Dell 2410. So its 1080p instead of 1920x1200. It is noticeably clearer under motion, the blur reduction just in normal 120Hz is impressive to say the least. The blur reduction using the 3D hack with Nvision is amazing, but there are artifacts around objects as well. The colours are pretty bad comparatively, I can tell the difference very clearly between the two.

The ideal world would be 120hz IPS with low motion blur, but since it doesn't exist you end up with this hard choice of colour quality v low blur. Having done the colour quality and now the low blur I choose low blur, 120Hz is worth it over the colour quality of IPS.
 
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