New monitor for gaming rig

fastresort

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Hi all, this is my first time posting to the forums, but I have been reading anandtech for over a year now. I scrapped together enough money a few months ago to get a gaming rig together and now the next thing on my list is a monitor. I'm still using an old 17" CRT (Aperture Grill from CTX) that got me through college and its finally starting to crap out. I've been reading around a lot and I'm having a lot of difficulty deciding what to get. The main focus of my computer is gaming, but I do also use it for my own amateur photo retouching, watching movies, and obviously internet browsing/reading things. I guess I'll just make a little list of whats been going on in my head instead of writing a long, rambling paragraph:

Monitor Budget: $500 max, hoping to spend much less than that

1) I'd rather have an LCD as they seem to be much better now that a few years ago, but I don't have any problem with CRTs. As such the following points are basically centered around getting an LCD and considering CRTs second.
2) As I said, my computer is mainly for gaming so LCD response time is very very important to me. It will drive me *CRAZY* if my games don't look good. I would gladly sacrifice other features to have as little ghosting as possible. However, I would still like to have a monitor that can do other tasks acceptably (crisp text, watch movies, somewhat rich colors). IMHO, CRTs are more versatile - no problems with response time and deep colors and clear text.
3) If I get an LCD it will most likely have native resolution of 1280x1024. That basically means all my games will have to run in that resolution with a comfortable frame rate. I was not worried about this until I bought FEAR, which I run at 1024x768. In general, I am concerned about being able to run next gen games at native res without spending $300 on a new video card. CRTs do not have this problem as I can scale the resolution with no pixel interpolation.
4) If I get a CRT, I will be able to afford one that can run 1600x1200, which would be very nice to have.
5) CRTs are generally cheaper than LCDs of the same size. I could even get a refurb 21" CRT for around $200. However, I am slightly wary of buying refurb products over the internet.
6) If I buy an LCD over the internet (where they are cheaper), I might get dead pixels. A red dot in the middle of my screen would drive me crazy. To avoid that possiblity, I could buy at a retail store, but for $100 or $200 more. Regardless of where a new CRT comes from, I don't have to worry about dead pixels so I can get it for the cheapest price possible, internet or real life store.
7) I have read in a few places now that CRT quality has actually been going down in the past few years to keep prices low and competetive with LCDs. Apparently its not even possible to get a new aperture grill CRT, which I would rather have. So to get a quality model I might want to get a refurb from a few years ago (again, I don't like refurbs) because I am afraid that new models are all lower quality than what I currently have. I have a friend who bought a 19" CRT from Best Buy and it looks terrible. Much less clear than my 5 year old screen. If that monitor is representative of new CRTs then I definitely have to get an LCD.
8) In general, LCDs are the way of the future and CRTs are a dying breed. It seems like a lot of work is going into making quality LCDs and that a lot of people are buying them for all sorts of purposes and they are happy with their purchases. I just feel that its better to get an LCD. At this point buying a CRT seems to be like buying a VCR - its cheap and time tested, but that doesn't mean its the best idea.

I have a few models in mind so far; Viewsonic VX924, Viewsonic VP930B (I believe is the successor to the VP191B), and NEC LCD1970GX.

Sorry for the long post, but I think thats finally it. Any advice or suggestions on a monitor that I should get would be greatly greatly appreciated. Even just a discussion about this in general would be nice just to let me if everything I'm thinking is on point or if I am missing some stuff. I also wouldn't mind hearing what monitors you gamers are using and the experience you've had with them. Thanks for reading my ramblings!
 

Piuc2020

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I can't say that I like Viewsonic LCDs(I tried when upgrading my Apple Studio Display and none were that great AND they had a weird flicker effect when moving windows), their CRTs though are top notch and my top recommendation. For example, Samsung and Dell sell excellent monitors as well as Apple (Apple ones are a tad bit expensive though) and some models from certain companies really stand out (as is the case with Hyundai's L90D+).

For example under 500$ I can reccomend a Hyundai L90D+ (which I currently own) which is pretty good but sadly doesn't support 800x600 or 640x480, another good option is a Samsung Syncmaster or a Dell, Dell has some coupons out for their monitors which you might find useful, you might even be able to find a 2005FPW (21" monitor) if you look carefully. Also Gateway had a 21" monitor which looked nice.

And remember, never judge a monitor by its response time, much like PSUs brands are really important. And also try to buy the monitor in a store where you can go and test the monitor and be sure to read a few reviews on the net, Tom's Hardware offers really informative in depth reviews of monitors.
 

fastresort

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The Hyundai L90D+ appears to be a good monitor, but it's based on a different panel type than the Viewsonics, which use overdrive. Thats actually the main reason I am looking at them. THG, who you mentioned, gave the VP191b a stellar review and the editors there generally appear to believe that overdrive panels are the best displays available today. Samsung may have some good models (well, actually I'm sure they do, but I don't know which ones), but Dell's and Apple's don't really seem to get used much in the gaming community. I also definitely know not to judge a monitor by it posted specs (response time especially) and thats part of the reason why I started this thread... I could wade through 100's of reviews and look at specs all day on newegg, but what I really want to know is what real normal users think. Ultimately,in terms of gaming, what monitors are considered to be the best right now???
 

SickBeast

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I'm pretty sure you can get a Dell 2005FPW for less than $500 and it is by far the best monitor in its price range. I think it's 1680x1020 resoultion.
 
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I say go witha 19" if your budget is $500 or a 20.1" 4:3. None of that 2005FPW crap. I know widescreen is a popular option now, but save it till you get a 24.3" because a 20" is just so tiny due to 16:10 ratio.

If you want a good 19", I recommend the Viewsonic VP930b or the Samsung 193P. You can basically throw out suggestions like: L90, Samsung 930B, and all other TN panels. If your budget is $500, you should be getting a high quality 19".

Overdrive (VP191b, VP930b) will be slower than TN panels, but at least you retain good color, and damn good speed still. I have a VP191b which I bought along with a Samsung 930B. After putting them side by side, I have to say all TN panels can go to hell despite having 8ms ISO response times. 8ms gray-to-gray and 20ms black-to-white is good enough.
 

fastresort

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I'm a bit apprehensive about wide screens, mainly because I don't know much about them. Do most games support widescreen resolutions? Or do you play games at a normal aspect ratio with black bars on the sides of the screen? Also, I know not to trust mfg posted response times, but they do appear to make at least a good guideline for relative performance vs other monitors. That Dell is only 12ms, is that fast enough to keep a discerning eye happy? I ask because almost every other model I have been looking at or reading about is 8ms or lower. But I'll definitely do some research into that monitor later and see what other people think. Thanks for the suggestion.

Any recommendations on a normal aspect ratio monitor?
 

fastresort

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DLeRium, I was under the impression that overdrive panels were faster than TN panels? Or is it just the way they measure them that makes their numbers slower, even if they are faster in real life? I think I am going to get a 19in overdrive though. They definitely do appear to be the way to go. Thanks for the input.
 

Keeir

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Overdriven TN (fastest)< Overdriven VA

TN (real) ~ Overdriven VA

by the measurements overdriven MVA is faster, but I typically find the overshoot more annoying than a small amount of ghosting... so its a personal preference I think

 

fastresort

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Is "overshoot" when the LCD transitions to brighter color before going to an intermediate color? I thought that wasn't a noticeable effect?
 

SickBeast

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Originally posted by: fastresort
I'm a bit apprehensive about wide screens, mainly because I don't know much about them. Do most games support widescreen resolutions? Or do you play games at a normal aspect ratio with black bars on the sides of the screen? Also, I know not to trust mfg posted response times, but they do appear to make at least a good guideline for relative performance vs other monitors. That Dell is only 12ms, is that fast enough to keep a discerning eye happy? I ask because almost every other model I have been looking at or reading about is 8ms or lower. But I'll definitely do some research into that monitor later and see what other people think. Thanks for the suggestion.

Any recommendations on a normal aspect ratio monitor?

Almost every new game coming out supports widescreen.

I play UT2004, Far Cry, Doom 3, and HL2 in widescreen; they natively support it. Other games can be easily patched, or you can just edit a .ini file to make them run in widescreen. Check out the Widescreen Gaming Forums for a list of all the games that work in widescreen.

I'd say that 90% of games will run in widescreen if you're willing to fix them.

As for the ghosting, my Dell 2405FPW is 12ms and does not ghost whatsoever.

The 2005FPW is the same as the 20" Apple Cinema Display that sells for twice as much; it has the same LG panel inside.

IMO games look better in widescreen, and I enjoy the increased field of view in FPS games.
 

DRAGoNX515

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I would have to go for the Viewsonic VP191b simply because of the majority of review sites like the monitor like Toms Hardware.