Question new monitor for FPS gaming

[hardcore_gamer29]

i am looking to buy a monitor for gaming mainly first person shooter 144hz i can sit max 32inches away from monitor should i get 27ich 4k or 24 inch 1440p ? i prefer IPS display only note: i bought msi g27 before 27inches but 1080p but video stream felt a little lagging and stuttering on that
my specs from tomorrow will be:
i9 10900k
deepcool castle ex 360mm
corsair 780t
corsair rgb pro 32gb
coolermaster v850 psu
asus dual gtx 1660ti 6gb
samsung 970 evo 1tb nvme ssd

 

[Leeea]

bigger is better.

get the 27"

( I have a 32", and I like it)

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

bigger is better.

get the 27"

( I have a 32", and I like it)

i can stay max 30 to 33 inches away from monitor only

 

[Leeea]

i can stay max 30 to 33 inches away from monitor only

I like to sit at about 26"ish away every day. The closer you are, the bigger it is!

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

I like to sit at about 26"ish away every day. The closer you are, the bigger it is!

which monitor to get for fps competitive gaming my bullets dont work in 60 hz monitor how much refresh rate should i get and what is difference between 1ms vs 4ms for fps gaming?

 

[aigomorla]

Odyssey G7, unless ur driving a Radeon 6000 series or intend to drive one as it seems to have some issues with radeon cards ATM.

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240Hz.,.. QDot, don't let the curve freak you out, it really becomes unnoticeable after a few days.
Infact the curve will assist you when sitting that close to the monitor.

Also want to add, your videocard is vastly underpowered for a 4k monitor in FPS.
Even a 1440p may prove difficult with high settings, you most likely won't get 60fps in either scenario, and lucky to get 45fps+ on 4k even with medium settings, which makes high refresh rates moot. Your hardware just can't keep up with it, unless u want to play in low settings or play games which don't use high graphic engines.

If you do get a 4k i would at least be prepared to get a 3070 when you can, if you can, or if somehow the stars allign in proper sequence, and you managed to get one due to how rare and a unicorn they are when available.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

Odyssey G7, unless ur driving a Radeon 6000 series or intend to drive one as it seems to have some issues with radeon cards ATM.

Odyssey G6 27 inch G65B QHD Gaming Monitor | Samsung US

Explore the Odyssey G65B 27" Curved Gaming Monitor with QHD 240Hz HDR600 Gaming Hub & 1000R screen. Buy today!

www.samsung.com

240Hz.,.. QDot, don't let the curve freak you out, it really becomes unnoticeable after a few days.
Infact the curve will assist you when sitting that close to the monitor.

Also want to add, your videocard is vastly underpowered for a 4k monitor in FPS.
Even a 1440p may prove difficult with high settings, you most likely won't get 60fps in either scenario, and lucky to get 45fps+ on 4k even with medium settings, which makes high refresh rates moot. Your hardware just can't keep up with it, unless u want to play in low settings or play games which don't use high graphic engines.

If you do get a 4k i would at least be prepared to get a 3070 when you can, if you can, or if somehow the stars allign in proper sequence, and you managed to get one due to how rare and a unicorn they are when available.

thanks i will upgrade gpu surely but for now i need to play at 1080p so my main question was does 1 ms vs 4ms huge difference? i am eying on these two only which one to get
MSI OPTIX G241 this is ips but not curved but has 1ms
samsung curved this is 4ms but curved
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i just want to play multiplayer games like battlefield only so want smooth no lag so that my bullets work properly i mean there must be no delay in graphics

 

[aigomorla]

1 vs 4 wont matter, unless your playing against professionals in a lan e-sport setting.

But again, your gpu is probably your biggest bottleneck in any games even at 1080p.
The 1660 is a great card, but its not a race horse especially on the frostbyte engine.

If your not seeing your bullets work properly, it could mean your network latency is either bad (your on wifi) or the server your playing on has a high ping.

I would set graphics to low, and see what FPS your getting, and see if your still seeing that delay.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

1 vs 4 wont matter, unless your playing against professionals in a lan e-sport setting.

But again, your gpu is probably your biggest bottleneck in any games even at 1080p.
The 1660 is a great card, but its not a race horse especially on the frostbyte engine.

If your not seeing your bullets work properly, it could mean your network latency is either bad (your on wifi) or the server your playing on has a high ping.

I would set graphics to low, and see what FPS your getting, and see if your still seeing that delay.

I can get 140 fps avg without v sync but current monitor is 60hz only i can play on ultra battlefield 4 fps is always 60 constant and i kill enemy with vehicles he dies but face to face i die as they maybe playing at 240hz i am locked at 60only so there is graphic delay i mean i am already dead when right click to aim

 

[Glo.]

thanks i will upgrade gpu surely but for now i need to play at 1080p so my main question was does 1 ms vs 4ms huge difference? i am eying on these two only which one to get
MSI OPTIX G241 this is ips but not curved but has 1ms
samsung curved this is 4ms but curved
LC24RG50FQWXXL
i just want to play multiplayer games like battlefield only so want smooth no lag so that my bullets work properly i mean there must be no delay in graphics

MSI Optix G241 has legendary at this point Panda Panel, with wide color gamut coverage, and pretty decent response times.

Depending on the testing methodology, reviewers suggest that response time is decent enough to give 92% of transitions within the "required+1ms" transition window, for a true 144 Hz refresh rate.

Only OLED panels have 1 ms response times, even the best IPS panels, the LG's Nano IPS panels do not have 1 ms without incredible amount of overshoot(inverse ghosting).

I do not know where you live, but the monitors to be interested in for FPS games: AOC 24G2U, MSI Optix G241, Acer Nitro XV242YP, Acer Nitro XF243Y - those are 144 Hz/165 Hz monitors with 23.8 inch panels, but from Panda and Innolux, respectively. Those Acer monitors have Innolux panel with insane response times. Here is the review of XF243Y: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/acer/nitro-xf243y
Here are reviews for AOC 24G2U:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHdeDv9bqI
For 24.5 inch IPS, 1080p, 144 Hz monitors there is effectively one to consider:
BenQ EX2510, with 249$ MSRP.
Here are reviews for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vByC1RfUJSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWI4N3khLKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5aNkkFu47w

From 240 Hz monitors there will be plenty of 240 Hz IPS displays this upcoming year, and the trend that we can see is that 1080p, IPS, 240 Hz is the new 165 Hz fro the same price category .

I won't spoil everything but first glimpses suggest that is the case: Lenovo Legion Y25-25 has been price cut on MSRP to 319$ from 349$, and can be get for 239$ on promotions, Asus VG259QM, which is regarded as best 240 Hz 25 inch IPS monitor has been... discontinued, and replaced by VG259QMY model which has exactly the same specs as VG259QM, but has lower MSRP price tag: 319$ the same as Legion Y25-25.

I can get 140 fps avg without v sync but current monitor is 60hz only i can play on ultra battlefield 4 fps is always 60 constant and i kill enemy with vehicles he dies but face to face i die as they maybe playing at 240hz i am locked at 60only so there is graphic delay i mean i am already dead when right click to aim

If you talk about the difference between refresh rate and FPS this is a very good, and informative video about the topic:

Even if you have 60 Hz panel, but you still do not limit the framerate, and allow your GPU to run at full tilt, you still; get the benefits, of having the higher refresh rate, and lower input lag, than if you would have with 60/60 Hz refresh rate and FPS.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

MSI Optix G241 has legendary at this point Panda Panel, with wide color gamut coverage, and pretty decent response times.

Depending on the testing methodology, reviewers suggest that response time is decent enough to give 92% of transitions within the "required+1ms" transition window, for a true 144 Hz refresh rate.

Only OLED panels have 1 ms response times, even the best IPS panels, the LG's Nano IPS panels do not have 1 ms without incredible amount of overshoot(inverse ghosting).

I do not know where you live, but the monitors to be interested in for FPS games: AOC 24G2U, MSI Optix G241, Acer Nitro XV242YP, Acer Nitro XF243Y - those are 144 Hz/165 Hz monitors with 23.8 inch panels, but from Panda and Innolux, respectively. Those Acer monitors have Innolux panel with insane response times. Here is the review of XF243Y: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/acer/nitro-xf243y
Here are reviews for AOC 24G2U:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHdeDv9bqI
For 24.5 inch IPS, 1080p, 144 Hz monitors there is effectively one to consider:
BenQ EX2510, with 249$ MSRP.
Here are reviews for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vByC1RfUJSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWI4N3khLKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5aNkkFu47w

From 240 Hz monitors there will be plenty of 240 Hz IPS displays this upcoming year, and the trend that we can see is that 1080p, IPS, 240 Hz is the new 165 Hz fro the same price category .

I won't spoil everything but first glimpses suggest that is the case: Lenovo Legion Y25-25 has been price cut on MSRP to 319$ from 349$, and can be get for 239$ on promotions, Asus VG259QM, which is regarded as best 240 Hz 25 inch IPS monitor has been... discontinued, and replaced by VG259QMY model which has exactly the same specs as VG259QM, but has lower MSRP price tag: 319$ the same as Legion Y25-25.

If you talk about the difference between refresh rate and FPS this is a very good, and informative video about the topic:

Even if you have 60 Hz panel, but you still do not limit the framerate, and allow your GPU to run at full tilt, you still; get the benefits, of having the higher refresh rate, and lower input lag, than if you would have with 60/60 Hz refresh rate and FPS.

thanks for detailed view i cannot go with any other companies except asus msi ad samsung and i want to buy this msi g241 but it has contrast only 1000:1 is it good as i love netflix prime video etc also

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

MSI Optix G241 has legendary at this point Panda Panel, with wide color gamut coverage, and pretty decent response times.

Depending on the testing methodology, reviewers suggest that response time is decent enough to give 92% of transitions within the "required+1ms" transition window, for a true 144 Hz refresh rate.

Only OLED panels have 1 ms response times, even the best IPS panels, the LG's Nano IPS panels do not have 1 ms without incredible amount of overshoot(inverse ghosting).

I do not know where you live, but the monitors to be interested in for FPS games: AOC 24G2U, MSI Optix G241, Acer Nitro XV242YP, Acer Nitro XF243Y - those are 144 Hz/165 Hz monitors with 23.8 inch panels, but from Panda and Innolux, respectively. Those Acer monitors have Innolux panel with insane response times. Here is the review of XF243Y: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/acer/nitro-xf243y
Here are reviews for AOC 24G2U:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHdeDv9bqI
For 24.5 inch IPS, 1080p, 144 Hz monitors there is effectively one to consider:
BenQ EX2510, with 249$ MSRP.
Here are reviews for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vByC1RfUJSo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWI4N3khLKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5aNkkFu47w

From 240 Hz monitors there will be plenty of 240 Hz IPS displays this upcoming year, and the trend that we can see is that 1080p, IPS, 240 Hz is the new 165 Hz fro the same price category .

I won't spoil everything but first glimpses suggest that is the case: Lenovo Legion Y25-25 has been price cut on MSRP to 319$ from 349$, and can be get for 239$ on promotions, Asus VG259QM, which is regarded as best 240 Hz 25 inch IPS monitor has been... discontinued, and replaced by VG259QMY model which has exactly the same specs as VG259QM, but has lower MSRP price tag: 319$ the same as Legion Y25-25.

If you talk about the difference between refresh rate and FPS this is a very good, and informative video about the topic:

Even if you have 60 Hz panel, but you still do not limit the framerate, and allow your GPU to run at full tilt, you still; get the benefits, of having the higher refresh rate, and lower input lag, than if you would have with 60/60 Hz refresh rate and FPS.

but screen earing occurs if play with 140 fps with v synch off

 

[Glo.]

thanks for detailed view i cannot go with any other companies except asus msi ad samsung and i want to buy this msi g241 but it has contrast only 1000:1 is it good as i love netflix prime video etc also

Contrast, measured in reviews, for those Panda panel-based monitors is around 1300:1 and up to 1500:1.

It has one of better contrast ratios for IPS panel.

So if that is what you want, go for the MSI Optix G241. It has decent enough response times, wide color gamut, good contrast ratio, and high refresh rate. There is a reason AOC 24G2U with this panel is considered to be one of all-time great monitors, considering the whole package delivered .

24G2U has only better stand, than MSI. Everything else is pretty much the same.

 

[Glo.]

but screen earing occurs if play with 140 fps with v synch off

Yes, screen tearing always occurs if you exceed the refresh ratio from the monitor.

P.S. Don't use V-Sync, because it increases input lag. Use in-game frame limiters to reduce it, sometimes by 30-50% even.

Here is a good video, again.

 

[Glo.]

thanks for detailed view i cannot go with any other companies except asus msi ad samsung and i want to buy this msi g241 but it has contrast only 1000:1 is it good as i love netflix prime video etc also

One more thing. If you can go only with Asus, then:

VG259QR - 165Hz, 24.5 inch, 1080p, IPS display.
VG259Q - 144 Hz, 24.5 inch, 1080p, IPS display.
VG249Q - the same panda panel that is to be found in MSI, and AOC 24G2U.

So this might be also one to be considered.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

One more thing. If you can go only with Asus, then:

VG259QR - 165Hz, 24.5 inch, 1080p, IPS display.
VG259Q - 144 Hz, 24.5 inch, 1080p, IPS display.
VG249Q - the same panda panel that is to be found in MSI, and AOC 24G2U.

So this might be also one to be considered.

ASUS TUF Gaming VG259Q
is it better in any aspect than msi ?

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

i can get asus tn panel as well with higher refresh rate? tn will be bad than ips?

 

[Glo.]

ASUS TUF Gaming VG259Q
is it better in any aspect than msi ?

Has a little better response times, but lower color depth, and lower contrast ratio, but has better brightness uniformity than the MSI. Also, it depends on the specific monitor, but widely spread out is the incostistency of the backlight in Panda panels. Most of those panels have anywhere between -12 and -19% backlight uniformity inconsistency.

Every 24.5 inch monitor with 144 Hz refresh rate and IPS, will use the same AU Optronics panel.

i can get asus tn panel as well with higher refresh rate? tn will be bad than ips?

TN has way better response times, but WAY worse colors. Like seriously.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

Has a little better response times, but lower color depth, and lower contrast ratio, but has better brightness uniformity than the MSI. Also, it depends on the specific monitor, but widely spread out is the incostistency of the backlight in Panda panels. Most of those panels have anywhere between -12 and -19% backlight uniformity inconsistency.

Every 24.5 inch monitor with 144 Hz refresh rate and IPS, will use the same AU Optronics panel.

TN has way better response times, but WAY worse colors. Like seriously.

Thnx will go with asus 144hz model ips

 

[Glo.]

Thnx will go with asus 144hz model ips

Which one?

Asus VG249Q uses the same 23.8 inch, 144 Hz, IPS panel from Panda that is in MSI Optix, and AOC 24G2U. VG259Q uses the 24.5, 144 Hz IPS panel from AU Optronics, that is used by for example BenQ EX2510.

 

[aigomorla]

I dont think his problem is fps or refresh rates.
I think his problem more lies in latency.
IF he is pumping over 140fps it really should not matter for what he is describing.
Your bullets wont have lag to miss, unless its latency.

Also all the monitors listed so far pale in comparison with the samsung G7.
Your comparing a144hz panda vs a 240hz Quantum Dot its not even a contest.
The only reason the OP should even consider a different brand monitor is because he can't afford the Samsung G7.
Were comparing a 260 dollar monitors against the samsung which is a 700 dollar monitor.

What exactly is your budget? Maybe we should of asked you that to begin with.
The 4 things i tell people who are gamers not to put a budget on is:

1. Monitor
2. GPU
3. The chair you sit on.
4. Your ISP.

Those i feel are the most important and also show the greatest difference in tier with prices. You can budget and cheap everything else, even the nVME, drive to a regular SATA SSD, but the top three i listed are absolutely essential for gamers.

tn will be bad than ips?

tn is horrible.
colors are horrible, response is extreme, it used to be the esports monitor of choice tho, but that again was replaced by slower IPS, as it really does not matter having 1ms vs 4ms in 99.9999% of the games you play.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

Which one?

Asus VG249Q uses the same 23.8 inch, 144 Hz, IPS panel from Panda that is in MSI Optix, and AOC 24G2U. VG259Q uses the 24.5, 144 Hz IPS panel from AU Optronics, that is used by for example BenQ EX2510.

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B0817JCFJN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_zPlbGbEYBKJ93?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

I dont think his problem is fps or refresh rates.
I think his problem more lies in latency.
IF he is pumping over 140fps it really should not matter for what he is describing.
Your bullets wont have lag to miss, unless its latency.

Also all the monitors listed so far pale in comparison with the samsung G7.
Your comparing a144hz panda vs a 240hz Quantum Dot its not even a contest.
The only reason the OP should even consider a different brand monitor is because he can't afford the Samsung G7.
Were comparing a 260 dollar monitors against the samsung which is a 700 dollar monitor.

What exactly is your budget? Maybe we should of asked you that to begin with.
The 4 things i tell people who are gamers not to put a budget on is:

1. Monitor
2. GPU
3. The chair you sit on.
4. Your ISP.

Those i feel are the most important and also show the greatest difference in tier with prices. You can budget and cheap everything else, even the nVME, drive to a regular SATA SSD, but the top three i listed are absolutely essential for gamers.



tn is horrible.
colors are horrible, response is extreme, it used to be the esports monitor of choice tho, but that again was replaced by slower IPS, as it really does not matter having 1ms vs 4ms in 99.9999% of the games you play.

these cons have been shown for this asus

• Gamma isn’t great (2.09).
• sRGB coverage isn’t great (93.9%).
• Bad contrast in bright green colors (oversaturated). UPDATE: This issue is only present when using DisplayPort, not HDMI.
• Weird green tint to some gray colors.
• Picture is a bit fuzzy. ASUS seems to apply some kind of filter to the image.
• Overshoot quite bad at lower refresh rates (recommend lowering Trace Free setting to 40 for G-Sync/FreeSync or setting it to 20 for 60hz content).
• Uniformity not great.

 

[hardcore_gamer29]

also asus has ppi of 90 vs 93 for msi . asus is 6bit+2bit frc and msi is 8bit.