New Mafia II PhysX ON/OFF video.

[bryanW1995]

How about the people who have GPU's that can run Physx but are really, really, really jaded about the amount of hype and marketing but lack of decent content?

I guess that "decent" is a relative term, but isn't this entire thread supposed to be about current physx content in an A game?

 

[ModestGamer]

well, ATI isn't delivering anything at all on a gpu these days, just ask wreckage.

Nvidia made a calculated gamble when they bought ageia. They have spent a lot of time and effort investing in physx, and especially over the past 12-18 months they've used it as a selling point for their cards. There's nothing illegal/immoral/etc about that, but I do think that it would be more astute for them to implement it differently.

As an example, if you could run physix with an amd gpu as the main gpu and nvidia as the physx gpu, that could go a long way to bringing physx to a greater audience. Devs would be more comfortable making physx a larger part of their game if they felt confident that most users could take advantage of it, and there are a LOT more 2-4 yr old nvidia mid/high gpus out there than there are amd cards.

if that was the case I would buy a secondary nvidia card. not that I don't plan to never purchase one again becuase I have had a mix all all video cards over the years. But if it was $40-60 to get physx without the driver handicaps I would be ok with that.

 

[WelshBloke]

What would you "like" me to say?
/confused

Its up to you what you say but to just say 'that's subjective' is stating the obvious to banal levels.

I guess that "decent" is a relative term, but isn't this entire thread supposed to be about current physx content in an A game?

OK so in this game would you say that with physx on you get a significant increase in content?

 

[Keysplayr]

Its up to you what you say

Thank you.

 

[WelshBloke]

Thank you.

You're doing that banal thing again

 

[Keysplayr]

You're doing that banal thing again

No problem. You just keep doing you, and I'll keep doing me. :thumbsup:

 

[bryanW1995]

Where did I say that? I stated my familiarity with the substance, and yes, I have shot it. While we're at it, I've shot wood, metal, and even plastic, too!
Then why do you think you're an authority on them or that you can make a judgement about how or what they should look and operate like? That's just completely nonsensical.
That's how I see it. Furthermore, why didn't they use the PhysX to do something cool like fire. How come the car explosions look the same? All I see in that video, and as others haven commented, are gaudy chunk and debris effects that detract from the game, and give a tremendous performance hit while doing it. And people wonder why no one is lining up to try out PhysX .

MrK6, just back off for a few please? Conversation is getting back to normal, why throw more fire on it? -Thanks.

speaking of which, guess what a google search of "video of cobblestone being shot with a gun" turns up? We are now officially self-referencing!

OK so in this game would you say that with physx on you get a significant increase in content?

no, I think that current physx offerings suck, I can't think of a single game that I would pay the performance penalty of having it for the entire game. If I ran dual gtx 480's I might run it all the time but even then I would be more like "meh" based upon the current weak offerings.

I'm just not thread-crapping in here like a bunch of others. I'm also pissed at nvidia for artificially disabling it, but I think that they hurt themselves more than amd by doing that. I don't think that physx will take off until they do something to enable it in more systems, and if they don't do it soon then an open standard will probably render physx moot.

 

[WelshBloke]

No problem. You just keep doing you, and I'll keep doing me. :thumbsup:

Err, I'm not sure if what you just posted is obscene or not.

 

[Keysplayr]

speaking of which, guess what a google search of "video of cobblestone being shot with a gun" turns up? We are now officially self-referencing!

LMAO!!! Now that is funny!!

@Welshbloke: Very happy to see you have a sense of humor. I just wish folks in here would respect other peoples opinions as much as they expect their own to be. That would be pleasant.

 

[WelshBloke]

@Welshbloke: Very happy to see you have a sense of humor. I just wish folks in here would respect other peoples opinions as much as they expect their own to be. That would be pleasant.

Hey don't start respecting me now, things were getting interesting.

 

[WelshBloke]

Opps sorry wrong chat room.

 

[MrK6]

speaking of which, guess what a google search of "video of cobblestone being shot with a gun" turns up? We are now officially self-referencing!

Sweet. "Look Ma, I'm on Google!"

no, I think that current physx offerings suck, I can't think of a single game that I would pay the performance penalty of having it for the entire game. If I ran dual gtx 480's I might run it all the time but even then I would be more like "meh" based upon the current weak offerings.

I'm just not thread-crapping in here like a bunch of others. I'm also pissed at nvidia for artificially disabling it, but I think that they hurt themselves more than amd by doing that. I don't think that physx will take off until they do something to enable it in more systems, and if they don't do it soon then an open standard will probably render physx moot.

More or less. They don't have the marketshare or the resources to make something proprietary like PhysX sell well. Unless there are some drastic changes in the market or in how PhysX is marketed, then it'll just fizzle until it's replaced. CPU's are continually getting more powerful, and it'll be interesting to see where that leads us.

 

[BenSkywalker]

High power bullet/gun versus rock-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPW-oU9zXO4&feature=related

 

[WelshBloke]

High power bullet/gun versus rock-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPW-oU9zXO4&feature=related

I'm not sure if your trying to make the vid in the OP look better or worse with that comparison.

You wouldn't like to expand on your post would you?

 

[BenSkywalker]

I'm not sure if your trying to make the vid in the OP look better or worse with that comparison.

You can try to assume that I have an agenda, but it always fails those that make that mistake

You wouldn't like to expand on your post would you?

I don't think I need to. Everyone can see the video at the beginning of the thread, that vid clip I posted shows what happens when granite gets hit by a .300M. People can make their own conclusions.

 

[WelshBloke]

You can try to assume that I have an agenda, but it always fails those that make that mistake

I think your assuming too much there, I'm genuinely confused at any connection you could make with the vid in the OP.

I don't think I need to. Everyone can see the video at the beginning of the thread, that vid clip I posted shows what happens when granite gets hit by a .300M. People can make their own conclusions.

Ok my conclusion is that a rock on an island when shot doesn't look anything like that in a video game.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I think your assuming too much there, I'm genuinely confused at any connection you could make with the vid in the OP.

People were discussing if high powered guns had the ability to shatter cobblestone. I found a video using granite.

Ok my conclusion is that a rock on an island when shot doesn't look anything like that in a video game

Hehe, I agree

 

[Madcatatlas]

Hey, as long as he thinks he makes sense...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-P578pnctU

just LOOK at that.

 

[WelshBloke]

Hey, as long as he thinks he makes sense...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-P578pnctU

just LOOK at that.

I want to see him shoot those with his head under the water as well and then do the interview.

'Eh what, speak up'

 

[Sp12]

IMO it's kinda lame that features that have been implemented for quite a while are being left out solely for physics marketing. Unfortunate that the game will be behind graphically on non-nvidia systems.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Hey, as long as he thinks he makes sense...

Well....

Even shooting at "brittle" rocks, which cobblestone isn't (maybe the cheap patio brick you can get at Home Depot now, but that sure as heck wasn't sold in the 50's, but I digress), bullets don't split off set and mortared pieces and have the fly into the air. Anybody who has ever discharged a firearm knows this.

I've discharged easily tens of thousands of rounds(likely easily over 100K, have had afternoons where I burned through 1K) from firearms and my experience was rather the polar opposite of what was being said here. My experience indicated that high power rifles would actually do considerably more damamge then what was being portrayed in the game- by a long shot. I found a link to a high power rifle hitting what should be one of the most bullet resistant rocks on Earth. One round hit the rock, the results speak for themselves.

IMO it's kinda lame that features that have been implemented for quite a while are being left out solely for physics marketing.

Nothing is disabled running on an ATi based system by this game. Turn the PhysX features on, try moving the Cloth folder out of the Apex directory and run some benches, you will likely be surprised just how well it runs without being on a nV based system.

 

[happy medium]

I see nothing wrong with some extra free eyecandy I can get for free with a videocard purchase.

It nice to know you can use the full features the game makers wanted you to see also.

The only people who "hate" on physx are usually people who don't own a video card with its capabilities and are jealous.

Why hate on extra eyecandy, I'm sure if I was a third party that uses physx for both Ati and nvidia cards, there wouldn't be a bunch of thread derailers in this thread.
Its just that simple.

 

[tviceman]

IMO it's kinda lame that features that have been implemented for quite a while are being left out solely for physics marketing. Unfortunate that the game will be behind graphically on non-nvidia systems.

Debris is present in many, many other games but not to the extent and longevity that it is in Mafia. There is no other game that displays as much debris flying around as in-game objects and most games that have debris fades it away very quickly after the animation is complete.

Dynamic, volumetric fog/smoke has never been done in a game on the CPU that I am aware of.

Also, there is no game that has dynamically forming/moving/tearable cloth affects on characters like Mafia. Cloth animations you see on people in other games are static animations, i.e. pre-rendered and repeated over and over again.

 

[Madcatatlas]

i highly doubt you have fired "likely easily over 100k" ammunition rounds. Let me ask you how long that took, you can split it up in hours per day per year if you like. please entertain me.

and i cant but do a /facepalm at the "hitting what should be one of the most bullet resistant rocks on Earth"

It doesnt seem like you have much of a clue on what your saying benskywalker.

 

[bryanW1995]

LMAO!!! Now that is funny!!

@Welshbloke: Very happy to see you have a sense of humor. I just wish folks in here would respect other peoples opinions as much as they expect their own to be. That would be pleasant.

when I first googled it it referenced this thread, now it actually points to this specific page b/c of my post. I guess AT scores very highly in google metrics.

I've discharged easily tens of thousands of rounds(likely easily over 100K, have had afternoons where I burned through 1K) from firearms and my experience was rather the polar opposite of what was being said here. My experience indicated that high power rifles would actually do considerably more damamge then what was being portrayed in the game- by a long shot. I found a link to a high power rifle hitting what should be one of the most bullet resistant rocks on Earth. One round hit the rock, the results speak for themselves.

nice to find a fellow republican here.