New MacBook (2015) charger with USB hub?

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Rakehellion

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You tried to dismissively wave all that away as if Dropbox replaced all functionality and now you are moving the goalposts.

Dropbox replaces thumb drives. I never said it replaces a mouse and no sane person could have possibly garnered that from anything I mentioned.

I remember this argument when Bluetooth and 802.11b were rolling out and people ignorantly saw them as competing wireless standards and even went as far as comparing them to previous format wars.

Tell me what any of that has to do with syncing your phone (the post you quoted) and we can have an actual discussion.

Choosing to ignore them

I shut down all of your arguments one by one even as you shifted goalposts.

Charging is not the only reason to connect

What are the other reasons to connect it? Use actual words. Come on, you can do it!
 

CZroe

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Dropbox replaces thumb drives. I never said it replaces a mouse and no sane person could have possibly garnered that from anything I mentioned.
You did exactly what I said you did: Acted like Dropbox replaced the majority of the utility of USB and ignored the functions it didn't replace, even going as far as relating it to obsolete storage formats. That is "hand-waving."

Tell me what any of that has to do with syncing your phone (the post you quoted) and we can have an actual discussion.
Once again, you acted like something that isn't equivalent is a replacement for something else. You were focused on the speed of 802.11ac as if that negated ALL of the utility of USB2.0. I pointed out that Bluetooth, from the start, was slower than 802.11b, and yet it had a reason to exist. One was purely for networking, the other was for peripheral I/O. Transfer speed was not the only function that mattered. You steered us this way. YOU.

I shut down all of your arguments one by one even as you shifted goalposts.
You mean by ignoring me every time I said something that required you to *gasp* scroll up to see that you were barking up the wrong tree in the first place?! "Shut down." :D

What are the other reasons to connect it? Use actual words. Come on, you can do it!
I gave you the words. Repeatedly. Are you asking me to list them ALL OVER AGAIN?!

Short list:
Offline file transfers.
Peripheral I/O (gamepads, mouse/keyboard, video output, etc).
Charging/tethering other devices.
Servicing other devices (DFU, FW update, Jailbreak, etc).

It sounds like you have so much trouble following because you have issues scrolling up. In case your mouse wheel is broken, I will summarize our interactions here. You can click the little arrow next to each of our names to verify each summary and you won't even have to scroll. You're welcome!

You act like USB is only for storing/moving files and that you have an alternative to that. To steer things away from reality, you only relate it to obsolete storage formats.
I respond that USB is used for a lot more than moving files. I provide several examples, none of which are specific to the 2015 MacBook.
You only address charging non-peripheral devices as if that is the only reason to connect them, dismissing my other examples as if I was only talking about the 2015 MacBook. I wasn't. Though you are fundamentally confused to think I am talking about the MacBook and not the charger for ANY USB-C device, you accuse me of trolling.
I point out exactly where you are confused and exactly what you dismissed. I attempt to cast a spotlight on your attempts to be a contrary so that you will make SOME attempt to analyze your next response and chose not to do this.
Crap. It didn't work. You go right back to talking about the 2015 MacBook again even though I explained that I am talking about logical concept for the UNIVERSAL charger. The "U" in "USB" means "UNIVERSAL!" :roilleyes:
Now, I'm back to reiterating what I said and explaining, once again, that you interpreted that incorrectly and dismissed the utility in the wrong context (not just the 2015 MacBook). You keep saying that I said something I didn't say, which only forces me to repeat myself and expand upon the lost utility in the scenarios you and I described. I don't know why it's so hard for you to, I don't know, scroll up and verify what I said you misinterpreted, so I concluded that you must simply be ignoring my corrections. Now I am stuck summarizing it, so it really must be too hard. :rolleyes:
It's easy to keep arguing when you make an incorrect assumption and never check to see if the person telling you this was right. :rolleyes:

Simple fact:
After seeing how relatively poor other USB chargers are compared to Apple's, I want a high-quality USB-C charger/hub and I would buy one EVEN WITHOUT buying a MacBook. For now, I'd use it as my iPad/iPhone 6 Plus charger. I'd use it as a hub for other PCs. I'd use it as a way to bridge USB-C and USB-A/B devices. I was hoping that the 2015 MacBook had this. If it did, I would buy one even though I am not buying a 2015 MacBook (I may buy the next gen). It only makes sense for the charger to be a powered hub because of how the power delivery specification was designed. There's EVEN MORE reason to make it a hub when your first product requiring it suffers such a loss of utility without the hub. Because Apple will make other devices that use the same charger, it makes sense to do this for now and the future.
 
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Ichinisan

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I just watched this, this guy explains a lot of the thought process that went into the new Macbook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHZ8ek-6ccc

This happened with the iPhone 4. Someone made a video that really resonated with anti-Apple people. It basically praised the HTC Evo "4G" while digging the iPhone. Yes. The Sprint-only phone that cost more than iPhone 4 and became worthless long before the iPhone 4. The video basically just compared specs and said "you're stupid if you don't buy the phone with the best specs!" They posted it EVERYWHERE. There's no way anyone on any forum or social media site with any interest in iPhone 4 would not have seen the video, but people still kept posting it everywhere. Weeks later, I'm on IRC EFnet #iphone, looking into jailbreak stuff. I click a random YouTube link in the channel and...it's that video again. Some anti-Apple evangelist troll would come to the channel and post that, somehow actually believing a single soul in there hadn't seen it already?

It's the same with this one. Just assume absolutely anyone on the Internet talking about the 2015 Macbook has already seen that video re-posted a dozen times.
 

slashbinslashbash

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Ok, sorry, I just came across it last night. It had me rolling with laughter. I actually hadn't seen any version of it before.

And FYI I am an Apple fan, I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro right now, with my Mac Pro sitting to the side, and my iPhone by my arm, and an iPad over on the floor....
 

Ichinisan

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Ok, sorry, I just came across it last night. It had me rolling with laughter. I actually hadn't seen any version of it before.

And FYI I am an Apple fan, I'm typing this on a MacBook Pro right now, with my Mac Pro sitting to the side, and my iPhone by my arm, and an iPad over on the floor....
Well...it is pretty funny.