10GigE is still stupidly expensive right now, even for a pro system. So I'm not at all surprised they have not included it. Controller costs still need to come way down, especially for switches.I betcha version 2 (or maybe version 3) will come with 10 GigE built in.
Apple always leaves something big out in the first iteration.
10GigE is still stupidly expensive right now, even for a pro system. So I'm not at all surprised they have not included it. Controller costs still need to come way down, especially for switches.
All the joys of paying for an expensive 10GigE controller and the joys of paying for an expensive Thunderbolt controller.10GigE is already supported via Thunderbolt 1 also.
All the joys of paying for an expensive 10GigE controller and the joys of paying for an expensive Thunderbolt controller.Intel badly needs to let 3rd parties make native TB-to-<x> bridges so that it can be done as a one-chip solution.
The official price isn't published. But $25 keeps popping up for the basic endpoint version (Port Ridge and its successors). Meanwhile the higher end versions that allow daisy chaining basically double that.The Thunderbolt controller isn't that expensive is it? I mean, a single chip solution is usually preferred but...
Yeah, that's why I said version 2 or perhaps version 3. The current Thunderbolt to 10GigE cost is $1000, but you can already get Intel 10GigE NICs under $350 new.
Intel Ethernet Converged Network Adapter X540-T1
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I think its gonna be around $4k
More like 6k minimum. Two high end fire pros are 3k a pop. And if they use the mid tier model it will probably start at 6k for a barebones model and ramp up quickly in price.
yeah Apple is crazy, but I'm not sure they're $6k crazy.More like 6k minimum. Two high end fire pros are 3k a pop. And if they use the mid tier model it will probably start at 6k for a barebones model and ramp up quickly in price.
I imagine there will be a variety of Fire Pro options and not all of them start nearly as high as you're suggesting.
Heh. If the base price were 6k just go ahead an stick a fork in it. Even when you're riding your segway down the hill from your mansion to the money tree grove to pick up a stack of thousand dollar bills that fell on the ground, there's all kinds alternatives in the 6k range. Even 4k would be pushing it.
The 3GB W9000s are 3k a piece, but they're top end, not base.
yeah Apple is crazy, but I'm not sure they're $6k crazy.
Honestly if they did that, then the likely next step is to kill off the all-in-one Mac Pro as they ultimately did to the G4 Cube and Xserve.
^Yes, but double the previous base model price?
(Starting to wonder just how just low my Apple stock will nosedive once they announce the price of this thing...)
^Yes, but double the previous base model price?
(Starting to wonder just how just low my Apple stock will nosedive once they announce the price of this thing...)
while just about anything can be argued as the latest reason for AAPL to dip, the Mac Pro base price really shouldn't be a factor. Mac sales are 70% portables and the workstation cut of that is basically a rounding error. Macs are a respectable 10% unit share of the U.S. market, but still haven't cracked the top-5 internationally as estimated by Gartner/IDC. Mac market share growth seems to have tapered off along with the malaise of the PC industry as a whole.^Yes, but double the previous base model price?
(Starting to wonder just how just low my Apple stock will nosedive once they announce the price of this thing...)
I disagree. Pricing themselves completely out of the professional workstation market I believe would have a disastrous effect on their stock price. I hope I'm wrong- I haven't enjoyed watching my own shares drop.while just about anything can be argued as the latest reason for AAPL to dip, the Mac Pro base price really shouldn't be a factor.
Agreed on the stock price, but most of that we can attribute to Android's smartphone success and inroads into the iPad's dominance as well. IMO investors aren't losing sleep over the very small slice of Apple's business that workstations represents. If anything, Apple has already let the product line stagnate for years with token updates at best. If it comes in at $3k as we believe it will, newness alone will provide at least a temporary shot in the arm. But drastically overdesigning and overpricing it and making it DOA shouldn't have a material affect on the stock price. Having said that it's 2013, not 1993. A $6k base price would make no sense whatsoever as we've already covered.I disagree. Pricing themselves completely out of the professional workstation market I believe would have a disastrous effect on their stock price. I hope I'm wrong- I haven't enjoyed watching my own shares drop.
My hope is they scale this machine back and create a base model that's more realistic, in the $2,500-$3000 range. Then go nuts with the high end model. That way plenty of people who need something more powerful than an iMac or Mini -but not 6k worth of overkill- can stay with the Mac platform.
Just because desktop computers have leveled off in sales (as they inevitably would, as radios did, as TVs did, as any new technology eventually will after the initial rush) doesn't mean that Apple should cede that segment of the market to others. People are going to continue to produce and make things using desktop computers- no matter how big a fad tablets and smartphones are currently.
I don't believe Apple's lack of marketshare in desktops equals no demand for desktops. It just means Apple hasn't done the best possible job of meeting the full demand that actually is out there. 6k+ boutique boxes aren't going to earn then a higher share either. (I'm reminded that their original boutique box sure didn't- and it wasn't because there was no demand for desktop computers. There was just no big demand for overpriced faux-fashion statements substituting for practical/cost-effective.
Any other company I'd say you're right, but Apple is viewed differently by investors than us tech fans. There's concern that they are in an inevitable decline, propped up mainly by an existing fanbase, not as much building a future one. Blundering in an entire product category (even a small part of their current business) isn't exactly the "we've still got it" message they should be sending right now. Apple used to be a company that rather than seeing a market and saying, "The demand is low, so we'll do a 'low-demand' product." they said, "Forget what everyone else thinks. We'll CREATE the demand." I personally want to see them get back to that attitude.Agreed on the stock price, but most of that we can attribute to Android's smartphone success and inroads into the iPad's dominance as well. IMO investors aren't losing sleep over the very small slice of Apple's business that workstations represents.
Relatively speaking, the Mini and iMac are affordable. The iMac is probably the most successful computer line of all time.If anything, the iMac and Mac mini are arguably boutique desktops. They're already at the high end of the market for mainstream desktop PCs. OTOH the Mac Pro, even when it was bundled with a low-end GPU, has always been a niche product starting at $2300+.
