New Liberal/Obama Math - Spending Cuts = 330 billion in extra spending

[michal1980]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...t-fiscal-cliff-bill-actually-spends-330-bill/


more proof that the house republicans should be grown ups and stop the insanity from the left wing nut jobs in the white house.

 

[BladeVenom]

There's a reason why high school dropouts overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.

 

[Wreckem]

Article cherry picks numbers from the CBO.

By extending all the tax cuts and doing away with sequestration, the 10 year deficit would be $12trillion, instead of the $4trillion under the tax deal. Also the $4trillion in deficit spending is based off of going over the fiscal cliff. IE: Its $4trillion more in deficits compared to all tax rates going up and 10% sequestration. Comparing the figures for the deal with numbers prior to going over the fiscal cliff reduces deficits over 10 years.

And I have yet to see a Republican plan that actually cuts spending either.

 

[Incorruptible]

There's a reason why high school dropouts overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.

Agreed. They just want handouts and not have to work for everything. Bunch of leeches

 

[Engineer]

This bill (Senate) had nothing to do with spending cuts, but you guys knew that, didn't you? Hint: That was the 2nd part that is supposed (doubtful based on history) to be done by 2 months (yea, right).

OK, back to your outrage, already in progress.

 

[michal1980]

This bill (Senate) had nothing to do with spending cuts, but you guys knew that, didn't you? Hint: That was the 2nd part that is supposed (doubtful based on history) to be done by 2 months (yea, right).

OK, back to your outrage, already in progress.

Define you guys.

This bill was written by the left, who keeps telling us things need to be done in a balanced manner. Yet when it comes to actually doing things balanced then go in the direct opposite way.

 

[Engineer]

Define you guys.

This bill was written by the left, who keeps telling us things need to be done in a balanced manner. Yet when it comes to actually doing things balanced then go in the direct opposite way.

Bill was written by both parties and passed with 89-9 ratio. You saying that there were no GOP members that voted for this? The spending side of the bill was kicked down the road by 2 months, but you knew that, didn't you? Both sides negotiated and passed this bill (strangely, it was the VP Biden and McConnel that put much of this together without Reid (or so it seems)).

 

[fskimospy]

LOL. The Washington Times just showed how stupid its writers are.

Does everyone here not realize that the 'fiscal cliff' was a combination of austerity measures: more taxes and cuts in spending? Cuts in spending were a primary part of what the fiscal cliff was. Not only was the fiscal cliff bill not designed to save money... in any way...by definition any action to avert the fiscal cliff would have to increase the deficit. I expect laypeople to not know this, but for the WT itself to publish something that dumb is embarrassing.

By the way for more conservative minded people out there this should give you cause to reexamine your ideology. The fiscal cliff negotiations are implicitly the acceptance that cutting the deficit by too much now would be disastrous to the economy.

 

[michal1980]

Bill was written by both parties and passed with 89-9 ratio. You saying that there were no GOP members that voted for this? The spending side of the bill was kicked down the road by 2 months, but you knew that, didn't you? Both sides negotiated and passed this bill (strangely, it was the VP Biden and McConnel that put much of this together without Reid (or so it seems)).

The Senate republicans have no balls or leadership. They just passed whatever Obama gave them so the liberal msm will let them off the hook.

If they had any significant brain cells they would have gotten some cuts. Instead they passed a bill that increases spending and taxes. They should all be voted out as being rinos

 

[fskimospy]

The Senate republicans have no balls or leadership. They just passed whatever Obama gave them so the liberal msm will let them off the hook.

If they had any significant brain cells they would have gotten some cuts. Instead they passed a bill that increases spending and taxes. They should all be voted out as being rinos

Can you describe to me what you believe the fiscal cliff was?

 

[lotus503]

LOL. The Washington Times just showed how stupid its writers are.

Does everyone here not realize that the 'fiscal cliff' was a combination of austerity measures: more taxes and cuts in spending? Cuts in spending were a primary part of what the fiscal cliff was. Not only was the fiscal cliff bill not designed to save money... in any way...by definition any action to avert the fiscal cliff would have to increase the deficit. I expect laypeople to not know this, but for the WT itself to publish something that dumb is embarrassing.

By the way for more conservative minded people out there this should give you cause to reexamine your ideology. The fiscal cliff negotiations are implicitly the acceptance that cutting the deficit by too much now would be disastrous to the economy.

Exactly because the foundation of our economy is deficit spending.

 

[fskimospy]

Exactly because the foundation of our economy is deficit spending.

No.

 

[lotus503]

No.

No its not the foundation of our economy?

sure it is, remove deficit spending and watch the entire system crumble.

 

[michal1980]

Can you describe to me what you believe the fiscal cliff was?

Tax increase along with spending cuts. At the end of the day probably better then the crap we are getting now. Even if the spending cuts were to heavy on the military

 

[fskimospy]

Tax increase along with spending cuts. At the end of the day probably better then the crap we are getting now. Even if the spending cuts were to heavy on the military

Right, so why are you surprised that a bill that averted spending cuts led to increased spending? That was the whole point, to increase spending.

While I'm all for cutting military spending, that should be replaced with increased domestic spending.

 

[fskimospy]

No its not the foundation of our economy?

sure it is, remove deficit spending and watch the entire system crumble.

I'm not sure what else to say other than 'no, it's not.' While we would have have significant economic issues if we cut out government spending right now (which is why we shouldn't), that is not the foundation of our economy.

 

[lotus503]

I'm not sure what else to say other than 'no, it's not.' While we would have have significant economic issues if we cut out government spending right now (which is why we shouldn't), that is not the foundation of our economy.

Much of our deficit spending goes to private industry while I will admit that the entire country would not crumble if the government only spent what it took in via taxes. Much of our economy is in fact propped up by government spending.

How much of that is deficit spending I guess is debatable.
But that thing about a house built with cards, once it comes down it brings it all down.

 

[michal1980]

Right, so why are you surprised that a bill that averted spending cuts led to increased spending? That was the whole point, to increase spending.

While I'm all for cutting military spending, that should be replaced with increased domestic spending.

No we need real spending cuts something you on the left, and the new gop rino party do not understand. This tax raise covers about less then 10% of the deficit? Wow talk about fixing the problem.

But your so stupid you want even more spending

 

[fskimospy]

No we need real spending cuts something you on the left, and the new gop rino party do not understand. This tax raise covers about less then 10% of the deficit? Wow talk about fixing the problem.

But your so stupid you want even more spending

The entire fiscal cliff issue is about the disastrous effects of reducing the deficit too quickly. Increasing spending is economics 101.

 

[Incorruptible]

No we need real spending cuts something you on the left, and the new gop rino party do not understand. This tax raise covers about less then 10% of the deficit? Wow talk about fixing the problem.

But your so stupid you want even more spending

This is very typical of the left. Cut the welfare and military

 

[lotus503]

No we need real spending cuts something you on the left, and the new gop rino party do not understand. This tax raise covers about less then 10% of the deficit? Wow talk about fixing the problem.

But your so stupid you want even more spending

over %40 of the debt is owed domestically to some of same people who lobby for more spending.