New law in Boulder, CO Stupid or not stupid?

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9news.com news story


BOULDER - Boulder city residents and business owners will eventually have to change thousands of outdoor light bulbs.


The city council voted Tuesday night to require softer white lights. The ordinance is designed to decrease light pollution. The softer lights are intended to reduce glare and bar bright lights from spilling into the sky or onto adjacent property.

People in the area are praising it saying it will also improve the view of stars in the area.

"We don't tell people they should leave the city to see trees," said Andrea Schweitzer, a member of the Southwest Research Institute and astronomer with the Little Thompson Observatory in Berthoud.

Some commercial property owners, car dealerships and real-estate interests criticized the ordinance, saying it will cost them money.

Jeff Wingert of the property management and development firm W.W. Reynolds Co., estimated that one 3-year-old industrial building the company owns in Boulder will need $70,000 in upgrades to conform to the rules.

Existing exterior lights that do not meet the new requirements will have to be changed by 2018.

For homeowners, the new rules will require replacement of unshaded bulbs and clear glass covers on outdoor lights. Outdoor bulbs on houses will have to be 65 watts or less.

Councilman Tom Eldridge cast the lone dissenting vote, saying he was sympathetic with the expenses that residents and businesses will incur.

With the approval, Boulder joined an increasing number of governments around the country trying to improve the view of stars. In Colorado, Boulder County, Denver, Colorado Springs, Durango, Eagle and Douglas County are either considering or have adopted similar rules.
 

Bootprint

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Light Pollution is Pollution, they have 15 years to make the changes...


Also, it isn't that hard to fix, just start to point the lights downwards, do they really need to illuminate the night sky?
 

NogginBoink

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You guys haven't seen the stars from the rocky mountains, have you?

It's getting to the point where there's so much light pollution that it's impossible to see stars virtually anywhere in this country.

No, it's not all that stupid... and they have 15 years to comply.
 

notfred

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Existing exterior lights that do not meet the new requirements will have to be changed by 2018.

They will have burned out by then anyway, there is no extra cost, jsut buying different lights to replace them with.
 

Heisenberg

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Requiring "softer" white lights seems like the dumb part. If they're really serious about doing it, they should require something like red lights. I wonder what they're going to do about the streetlights. A large chunk of the light is coming from them, not people's porchlights.
 

Soybomb

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It's getting to the point where there's so much light pollution that it's impossible to see stars virtually anywhere in this country
Perhaps where you live, its quite easy everywhere around here....
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: Soybomb
It's getting to the point where there's so much light pollution that it's impossible to see stars virtually anywhere in this country
Perhaps where you live, its quite easy everywhere around here....

But you don't live in Boulder, CO.
 

Spoooon

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Not a bad idea. What would have been stupid would be to require the change within a week or something. Like people said, they just have to replace the bulbs with something different as they burnout... no big deal.
 

no0b

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Originally posted by: Spoooon
Not a bad idea. What would have been stupid would be to require the change within a week or something. Like people said, they just have to replace the bulbs with something different as they burnout... no big deal.

depens on what they have to change, The article didn't go into specifics as to what exactly needs to be changed.

If they want to switch from HID to incandesant its going to cost and require more labor to remove the ballasts and rewire the lights, not to mention the fact that HID lights are more effecient and longer lasting than any incadesant.

Now if they wanted to change the HID to a different type IE, HPS to MH you are still going to have to replace the ballast and the bulbs.

If they just want the bulbs to be replaced with powedered bulbs from clear bulbs its not going to be the cheapest since most MH bulbs in the 400 watt range cost around 30~50 dollars and of course you have about 100 in a parking lot its by no means cheap.

Your idea of replacing them when they burn out is good but generaly HID bulbs last for many years. (I forgot the actual number but its rather high)
 

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I think it is a great law. That would enable people to see the stars again. And actually may see something they didn't even know existed like N.O.S.S.

I am glad that I can walk into my backyard and have a great sky to look at with my scope.

btw I voted no it is not a stupid law.
 

sandorski

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Such laws are getting more common. As one who likes seeing stars at night, I'm all for it!
 

IamElectro

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This sounds as stupid as the law city council tried to pass in my hometown like 10 years ago. Where cat owners were to have any outdoor cats inside after 8pm or face a fine. It was such a big stupid deal they talked about it on Good Morning America. It didn't pass.
 

kami333

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Originally posted by: no0b
Originally posted by: Spoooon
Not a bad idea. What would have been stupid would be to require the change within a week or something. Like people said, they just have to replace the bulbs with something different as they burnout... no big deal.

depens on what they have to change, The article didn't go into specifics as to what exactly needs to be changed.

If they want to switch from HID to incandesant its going to cost and require more labor to remove the ballasts and rewire the lights, not to mention the fact that HID lights are more effecient and longer lasting than any incadesant.

Now if they wanted to change the HID to a different type IE, HPS to MH you are still going to have to replace the ballast and the bulbs.

If they just want the bulbs to be replaced with powedered bulbs from clear bulbs its not going to be the cheapest since most MH bulbs in the 400 watt range cost around 30~50 dollars and of course you have about 100 in a parking lot its by no means cheap.

Your idea of replacing them when they burn out is good but generaly HID bulbs last for many years. (I forgot the actual number but its rather high)

Do you think they'll last 15years though?
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: no0b
Originally posted by: Spoooon
Not a bad idea. What would have been stupid would be to require the change within a week or something. Like people said, they just have to replace the bulbs with something different as they burnout... no big deal.

depens on what they have to change, The article didn't go into specifics as to what exactly needs to be changed.

If they want to switch from HID to incandesant its going to cost and require more labor to remove the ballasts and rewire the lights, not to mention the fact that HID lights are more effecient and longer lasting than any incadesant.

Now if they wanted to change the HID to a different type IE, HPS to MH you are still going to have to replace the ballast and the bulbs.

If they just want the bulbs to be replaced with powedered bulbs from clear bulbs its not going to be the cheapest since most MH bulbs in the 400 watt range cost around 30~50 dollars and of course you have about 100 in a parking lot its by no means cheap.

Your idea of replacing them when they burn out is good but generaly HID bulbs last for many years. (I forgot the actual number but its rather high)
You seem to know a lot about MH and HPS lights. ;)
Originally posted by: kami333

Do you think they'll last 15years though?
They last a long time... MTBF is around 100,000 hours. Roughly 11 years.
 

CrazyDe1

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I went to school in Boulder and absolutely hate the town. Too much traffic, too many hippies. When you get that many people voting for ridiculous laws and too many cops crap like this happens. They tried to ban couches on front porches just because too mayn of them were being burned in riots. There's photo radar on every single friggin light. I mean, isntead of photo radar, why don't they widen the frigging roads. All the cops drive unmarked cars and there's way too many of them. I'd rather live in the middle of rich white suburbia than in Boulder...which is why as soon as school got out I moved back to the suburbs...

 

UglyCasanova

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: no0b
Originally posted by: Spoooon
Not a bad idea. What would have been stupid would be to require the change within a week or something. Like people said, they just have to replace the bulbs with something different as they burnout... no big deal.

depens on what they have to change, The article didn't go into specifics as to what exactly needs to be changed.

If they want to switch from HID to incandesant its going to cost and require more labor to remove the ballasts and rewire the lights, not to mention the fact that HID lights are more effecient and longer lasting than any incadesant.

Now if they wanted to change the HID to a different type IE, HPS to MH you are still going to have to replace the ballast and the bulbs.

If they just want the bulbs to be replaced with powedered bulbs from clear bulbs its not going to be the cheapest since most MH bulbs in the 400 watt range cost around 30~50 dollars and of course you have about 100 in a parking lot its by no means cheap.

Your idea of replacing them when they burn out is good but generaly HID bulbs last for many years. (I forgot the actual number but its rather high)
You seem to know a lot about MH and HPS lights. ;)

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